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#1 Feb 24 2010 at 5:42 PM Rating: Good
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Vermont's state legislature just voted to not renew the license of the state's only nuclear power plant when it expires in 2012. At the same time, President Obama is working to expand the number of nuclear power plants in the United States after a thirty year drought in plant construction. To be clear, there are some real issues with the Vermont plant but having nuclear power in the news brings us to today's poll...

Nuclear Power - Yes or No?
Yes, we need to be building more plants as soon as possible:39 (44.8%)
Yes, but not now. We have some issues to work out (waste storage, fuel reprocessing, security, etc):21 (24.1%)
Yes, but not until we completely revamp the technology (use pebble bed reactors, etc):20 (23.0%)
No, it's a hazard to the public.:4 (4.6%)
No, it's a waste of government money for loan guarantees, regulation, etc.:3 (3.4%)
Total:87


Edited, Feb 24th 2010 5:42pm by Jophiel
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#2 Feb 24 2010 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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You can't hug children with nuclear arms.
#3 Feb 24 2010 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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You can't hug children with nuclear arms.
Negative. With nuclear arms you grow more arms, so you can hug more kids.

Think of the kids!

Edited, Feb 24th 2010 6:52pm by lolgaxe
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#4 Feb 24 2010 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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We should either build hundreds of new plants or move on.
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#5 Feb 24 2010 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Spoonless wrote:
You can't hug children with nuclear arms.
Negative. With nuclear arms you grow more arms, so you can hug more kids.

Think of the kids!

Edited, Feb 24th 2010 6:52pm by lolgaxe
You know who would want more arms to touch more kids?

Pedophiles.

Think of the children!
#6 Feb 24 2010 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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Build them in West Virginia.
#7 Feb 24 2010 at 6:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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I voted for the top option. That said, my understanding is that we will run out of usable fuel soon (order of one hundred years, baring miraculous ore deposit discoveries), but that we can reprocess the fuel we have now and use it for thousands of years. That said, reprocessing is delicate. I would have no issues living within 50 miles of an actual nuclear power plant, but I'd rather not live within 300 miles of where the reprocessing occurs. And my fellow citizens have issues with the transport of nuclear fuel. Which, to me, is rather silly considering how it is stored. Weapons grade material: definitely a concern. Reactor grade: you have to be kidding. There are a thousand nasty industrial compounds hauled all over the states vastly, vastly more likely to kill you/***** up the environment then that.

Politically, the waste will have to be stored where the power is produced: meaning maybe 40 sites within the US, likely on the grounds of military bases. This will not represent any measurable increased risk to the public. Dumb terrorists won't know what they are looking for and likely rob the equivalent of a truckload of smoke detectors. Smart ones will know dozens of vastly easier ways to strike people which don't involve a first step of, essentially, robbing a military base.

Realistically we could do far, far better either with solar/wind power or by conservation. Neither will eliminate fossil fuel use, and replacing that seems to me to be the primary goal (for a couple reasons).

I happen to know something about this; feel free to ask anything.
#8 Feb 24 2010 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Build them in West Virginia.


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#9 Feb 24 2010 at 7:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I've had to have a fair amount of training in nuc/rad exposure. It's over-rated for the most part.

Still, it's not the best energy source. It's better than fossil fuels. If I could know that it might be used as a stop-gap until less mutating renewable sources could be further developed AND implemented - I'd say go for it. But that's silly.

So I vote "no" on nucs. Put the investment into something else.
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I need a fusion reactor to power my computer. Well, two actually, one for each of the main boxes. Deuterium 2 is probably cheaper than my electrical bill. Also I need to install a partial faraday cage on my roof so airplanes stop falling out of the sky after they fly through the EM interference zone above my house.
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#11 Feb 24 2010 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Vermont's state legislature just voted to not renew the license of the state's only nuclear power plant when it expires in 2012.


That Vermont power plant has hideous hideous nuclear safety code breaches.

Of the top of my head issues it has had:

Tritium leaks
Water contamination
Cooling tower collapse
Security failures

I'm pretty sure it had some other issues as well though.

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So if we want another bitty step closer to fusion power, we could all put $10 before March 14th into TLW's pet Bussard fusion reactor project.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1992078142/building-the-open-source-bussard-fusion-reactor.

#13 Feb 24 2010 at 10:31 PM Rating: Decent
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So if we want another bitty step closer to fusion power, we could all put $10 before March 14th into TLW's pet Bussard fusion reactor project.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1992078142/building-the-open-source-bussard-fusion-reactor.


We could, but let's face it, we're not going to.
#14 Feb 25 2010 at 1:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Open results $3k fusion reactors don't get funded.

He should have applied for a couple million dollar DARPA grant or something.
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#15 Feb 25 2010 at 2:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Open results $3k fusion reactors don't get funded.

He should have applied for a couple million dollar DARPA grant or something.


He should have started his own religion.
#16 Feb 25 2010 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
The only problem with the US using nuclear energy is that the French might just have something to teach you. I'm not sure that's a road anyone wants to go down.
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The only problem with the US using nuclear energy is that the French might just have something to teach you. I'm not sure that's a road anyone wants to go down.
We'll ask the Russians instead.
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
The only problem with the US using nuclear energy is that the French might just have something to teach you. I'm not sure that's a road anyone wants to go down.
We'll ask the Russians instead.
Just ask Sarah instead.
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#19 Feb 26 2010 at 3:36 AM Rating: Decent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
The only problem with the US using nuclear energy is that the French might just have something to teach you. I'm not sure that's a road anyone wants to go down.
We'll ask the Russians instead.


Technically, I think they're Ukranians now.
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#20 Feb 26 2010 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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#21 Feb 26 2010 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Realistically we could do far, far better either with solar/wind power or by conservation. Neither will eliminate fossil fuel use, and replacing that seems to me to be the primary goal (for a couple reasons).

Yes, but you can't go to wind because people like liberals on Nantucket don't like the view 30 miles out. And solar is right out because people like to turn on the lights when the sun is not out...
#22 Feb 26 2010 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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Realistically we could do far, far better either with solar/wind power or by conservation. Neither will eliminate fossil fuel use, and replacing that seems to me to be the primary goal (for a couple reasons).

Yes, but you can't go to wind because people like liberals on Nantucket don't like the view 30 miles out. And solar is right out because people like to turn on the lights when the sun is not out...


Building wind farms on million dollar vistas is untenable. Fortunately, this removes only an insignificant amount of it's potential. The main stumbling block is getting the power from the windiest places (which, incidentally, have cheap land) to the places most people live. See, for example:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704675104575001290675508802.html

"If Texas makes more investments in transmission lines to carry power from the remote wind farm to towns and cities, he said, "we'll be back.""

Solar is an excellent source of power. 1 - power is storable. 2 - with more electric/hybrid cars this is more realistic and an excellent use of the phenomenally expensive batteries these cars employ. 3 - the demand for power has a daily cycle and anything which brings power plants offline at any time (day/night/weekends...) saves fossil fuels. 4 - naturally, saying all we are going to use is solar is unrealistic.
#23 Feb 26 2010 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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What about the magic black box?
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It is a method to produce power locally, say from natural gas or biofuels. This can be more efficient then producing it far away (at a power plant) and transporting it to your home.

As a power source, natural gas could put a dent in the foreign oil imported to the US. Biofuels...now here potentially the global warming could be reduced since rather then taking fossil fuels out of the Earth and putting carbon into the atmosphere, we are taking CO2 out into crops and essentially "burning" them to re-release CO2 back into the air. It requires energy to refine the raw plants.

#24 Feb 26 2010 at 2:36 PM Rating: Default
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Building wind farms on million dollar vistas is untenable.

Sure. NIMBY from rich folks is a great excuse.
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1 - power is storable.

Not infinitely so, and not cheaply at scale.
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...saves fossil fuels.

Assuming that's a good thing. Or even a preferable thing. There's no (good) reason outside of shortage that it should matter.
#25 Feb 26 2010 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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...saves fossil fuels.

Assuming that's a good thing. Or even a preferable thing. There's no (good) reason outside of shortage that it should matter.


http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/24/opinion/la-oe-mckibben25-2010feb25

edited to clarify who wrote what.



Edited, Mar 1st 2010 9:30am by yossarian
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
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...saves fossil fuels.
Assuming that's a good thing. Or even a preferable thing. There's no (good) reason outside of shortage that it should matter.
Hahaha, seriously? That's one of the stupider comments made on this forum, and you have some hefty competition.
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