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#1 Feb 23 2010 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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I had an argument with a friend recently, about money, savings and insurance. The topic we argued about was contingency for the unexpected, illness or unemployment. How to plan for it.

My solution is to be insured to the hilt. If I lose my job I keep most of my yearly salary for a year, my small personal loan has protection on it and would be paid off for me. Healthwise, I am covered dually by a benefit from work and also by personal insurance.

My friend was saying I do not keep enough back in savings. I prefer to insure myself instead and spend savings on more important things, like buying a home!

What would you do if you could not work, due to ill health or redundancy. Are you covered? Have you saved for it, or are you insured?
#2 Feb 23 2010 at 8:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, things are considerably different here in the States in terms of medical coverage, unemployment protections, etc. You're probably better off with savings because you'll need them to maintain your insurance via COBRA, you'll need to pay your mortgage, keep the lights on and all that jazz.

We personally have around five or six months worth of mortgage payments squirreled away in case we need it. That's just mortgage but hopefully we won't both be unable to work at once and the other person can pick up the rest of the bills. I believe the federal government is extending unemployment benefits again so we'd have that as well which could stretch our savings considerably.

One of the biggest issues if Flea ever lost her job would be that our health insurance is through her. I could get us insured through my workplace but it'd cost more and provide less.
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#3 Feb 23 2010 at 9:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I go the complete opposite route, even skipping required insurance at times (when I had less assets at risk) to put more money into savings.

The result is that I have much in the way of savings in case of emergencies (lost job, health crisis, etc...) because I haven't run into any emergencies. This allows more freedom in life and doesn't allow any insurance companies to make a profit off of me.

Since most people are in debt to the bank it makes sense to have insurance because the bank can reclaim your property (house, car usually) if something happens and you can't pay. So if I was in debt to a bank for any significant amount of money I would probably want insurance just to cover me in regards to not losing the principal, interest, and product that I was using the loan for.

Stay away from insurance, loans, and western medicine in general and you will have a lot more money and freedom.
#4REDACTED, Posted: Feb 23 2010 at 9:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have a basic disability policy. Also have a disability rider attached to my auto policy. I don't have life ins or mortgage protection because well i'm single and no dependents.
#5 Feb 23 2010 at 9:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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A savings account will lose you money compared to what you could be making by investing that same amount. Therefore, keep as much liquid as you have to do for emergencies and invest the rest. Have some long-term investments and some that you can liquidate more quickly.

Insurance is a scam, but if it helps your peace of mind to insure your income then maybe it's worth it to you. Just consider it money spent instead of money invested, since you're betting you'll need it and the insurer, who has all the actuarial info at his disposal, is betting you won't.

Health insurance is a necessity because every practitioner will assume you're insured and charge accordingly. Auto insurance is required by law in most if not all states. Etc.


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#6REDACTED, Posted: Feb 23 2010 at 9:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
#7 Feb 23 2010 at 9:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's a gamble. I never bet against the house if I can help it.

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#8 Feb 23 2010 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
One of the biggest issues if Flea ever lost her job would be that our health insurance is through her. I could get us insured through my workplace but it'd cost more and provide less.


I'm so glad for the NHS for providing basic healthcare, I feel for you Yankees. I am also covered by BUPA (private healthcare through my employer) but declined more than the basic package.
What does annoy me in my area is a lack of NHS dental coverage. Which reminds me, I need to have my teeth cleaned. They are a little stained from tea and coffee abuse Smiley: blush

soulshaver wrote:
Stay away from insurance, loans, and western medicine in general and you will have a lot more money and freedom.


My insurance costs me 2% of my monthly take home salary, its not killing me and I like the peace of mind if gives me. The daft thing is, the more insurance you buy, the more discount they give you.

I know that US health insurance costs a LOT more, so I do wonder what I would paying in your country? Whats the standard percentage of salary paid for health insurance in the US?

publiusvarus wrote:
I have a basic disability policy. Also have a disability rider attached to my auto policy. I don't have life ins or mortgage protection because well i'm single and no dependents.


You selfish man! If I die my parents and siblings inherit a rather nice pot of money. At least if I die I leave a little something pleasant behind me.

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As for savings I tend to like shiny things so I just buy gold and bury it in a chest in the backyard. Owing a business doesn't hurt.


Will the business continue if your health fails?

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Will the business continue if your health fails?

He'll pay for his cancer treatments with gold doubloons.
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#10 Feb 23 2010 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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Insurance is a scam


Only until you need it. Then we're your best friend.



Well thats a surprise. I had you down as an estate agent.
#11REDACTED, Posted: Feb 23 2010 at 9:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Lady,
#12 Feb 23 2010 at 9:57 AM Rating: Decent
Joph,

Actually I have a cancer policy. You know those things are really inexpensive if you get them before you have cancer.

#13 Feb 23 2010 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Insurance is a scam
It is, but it's also foolish to go without any.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2010 12:00pm by Uglysasquatch
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#14 Feb 23 2010 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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You selfish man! If I die my parents and siblings inherit a rather nice pot of money. At least if I die I leave a little something pleasant behind me.


That's no fun. I'll leave clues in my journals that lead to the chest of gold I have buried in the backyard. The rest goes to my nieces and nephews.

#15 Feb 23 2010 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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Insurance is a scam


Only until you need it. Then we're your best friend.
Odd, that's when I generally hate you ******* the most.
#16 Feb 23 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Health insurance is a necessity because every practitioner will assume you're insured and charge accordingly


This varies a lot, I find. I'm in the situation of having to buy insurance in the individual market, and while I have fairly deep catastrophic coverage, I also have a very large deductible for basic services where I'm essentially paying out of pocket for anything that didn't start with me being hit by a truck. I haven't had too much trouble negotiating fee for service stuff, but I also have pretty concrete knowledge of market rates for a given service and the ability to just pay immediately in cash.

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#17 Feb 23 2010 at 11:52 PM Rating: Excellent
I have a leprechaun chained up in my basement. In case of emergency it will lead me to the pot of gold buried in Publiusvarus's back yard.
#18 Feb 24 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:

Health insurance is a necessity because every practitioner will assume you're insured and charge accordingly


This varies a lot, I find. I'm in the situation of having to buy insurance in the individual market, and while I have fairly deep catastrophic coverage, I also have a very large deductible for basic services where I'm essentially paying out of pocket for anything that didn't start with me being hit by a truck. I haven't had too much trouble negotiating fee for service stuff, but I also have pretty concrete knowledge of market rates for a given service and the ability to just pay immediately in cash.



Did Smash just say he paid for health care... With Cash?! (or maybe even a check)?

Sorry. Couldn't resist... ;)


My general approach on insurance is that it should only be used for things that are rare and expensive (you can't afford if it happens, or it would be a serious financial burden if it did). Insuring income is kinda silly IMO. Saving the money is a better way to go. Investing even more so. That way, if you do lose your job, you know exactly how much you have and can continue living normally on your saved up money (dare I say: Wealth?). If you don't lose your job, you get to keep the money...


Over the course of your lifetime, that 2% of your income will add up to a hell of a lot more than a portion of your income for a year. Ditto for most other things you might insure. High deductible catastrophic health care insurance and car/home insurance are about the only things you really should be spending money on. Basically, everything else you'd be better of saving money ahead of time and paying out of pocket as you go.
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gbaji wrote:
Did Smash just say he paid for health care... With Cash?!

Why would this be a surprise or shocker? Smash has established in the past that he has more disposable income than the average bear.
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Did Smash just say he paid for health care... With Cash?!

Why would this be a surprise or shocker? Smash has established in the past that he has more disposable income than the average bear.


He makes a big deal out of my penchant to pay cash for things, so turn about is fair play...
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#21 Feb 24 2010 at 4:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Did Smash just say he paid for health care... With Cash?!

Why would this be a surprise or shocker? Smash has established in the past that he has more disposable income than the average bear.


He makes a big deal out of my penchant to pay cash for things, so turn about is fair play...


I think it was writing checks he made fun of, actually.

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He makes a big deal out of my penchant to pay cash for things, so turn about is fair play...


I do? I think you're confusing my laughing at you using checks to buy minor goods because it seems like such a bizarre Luddite thing to do in 2010, and I freely admit that I don't *at all* understand it. I haven't written a personal check in at least 15 years.
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Smasharoo wrote:

He makes a big deal out of my penchant to pay cash for things, so turn about is fair play...


I do? I think you're confusing my laughing at you using checks to buy minor goods because it seems like such a bizarre Luddite thing to do in 2010, and I freely admit that I don't *at all* understand it. I haven't written a personal check in at least 15 years.


Minor things like LCD HDTVs, refrigerators, washer/dryer combos? New set of tires, or transmission, or other expensive repairs on the car? That sort of thing? It's not like I buy groceries with a check Smash. In fact, I made it quite clear that unless a purchase is over around $300 or so, I pay cash. If it's more than that I'll use a check.

I know. It's more humorous for you to assume that I run around buying minor purchases at the convenience store with a check, and I'll even run with that when I'm in a quirky mood, but nothing I have ever said or done actually supports that assumption.

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Minor things like LCD HDTVs, refrigerators, washer/dryer combos? New set of tires, or transmission, or other expensive repairs on the car? That sort of thing? It's not like I buy groceries with a check Smash. In fact, I made it quite clear that unless a purchase is over around $300 or so, I pay cash. If it's more than that I'll use a check.


Yeah ok, whatever. I'm happy you don't write checks at the old spaghetti factory or whatever, I still can't comprehend why you wouldn't just pay for the TV with a debit card like a person who lived in a first world country would.

I mean you're paying for checks, right? I realize it's not much, but you're paying someone some amount of money to mail you paper checks you can use to purchase things when, for free, you could just have a card that would accomplish the same thing without having to record what you've written checks for, track when they clear, etc.

Just don't get it. It's not like it's easier to stop payment on a check than it is to dispute a debit card transaction. In fact, it's harder and usually has a cost. What's the benefit???

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If you have good credit, wouldn't it be best to put that on a credit card, anyway? Don't they extend warranties by about a year?
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If you have good credit, wouldn't it be best to put that on a credit card, anyway? Don't they extend warranties by about a year?


There are lots of benefits, assuming you never carry a balance past the interest free grace period. I mean there are lots of fucking ******* insane reasons to use check, I just can't think of any that would apply to Gbaji.

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