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#77 Feb 23 2010 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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Ecellent. You're closer to a 3 party system than you think.


Are you kidding? Independents are distancing themselves from Obama and the Democrats even to the point of the GOP gaining Mass. and you think the independents are going to the Dems?

The simple fact is most people in this country are conservative christians. They have far more in common with the GOP than they ever will with the liberal democrats.

You're not really this dumb are you? You currently have 2 parties. A 3rd party means they create anew one, ********
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#78 Feb 23 2010 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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What I want to know is . . . if they hate the government so much, and think it should be dissolved, why do they accept paid positions within it?


It's my understanding that it is a dislike for a large federal government that is at the core of Republican ideals, not government itself. They'd like to see the majority of the power held by the state government. At least, that is what it used to be. With agendas such as a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage, I'm lost as to where their priorities lie.
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#79 Feb 23 2010 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good
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You're WAY underfeeding. an 6 foot Republican should be eating jumbo rats, probably on a bi-weekly basis.

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Bizarre FEC find of the day: Someone at the RNC spent $15 at a pet store on 8th SE and listed the expense as "meals." Um...
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#80 Feb 23 2010 at 6:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I thought Christians frowned upon canniballism.
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Someone at the RNC spent $15 at a pet store on 8th SE and listed the expense as "meals." Um...

Around here, that's 2 jumbo rats...
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#82 Feb 23 2010 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
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Someone at the RNC spent $15 at a pet store on 8th SE and listed the expense as "meals." Um...

Around here, that's 2 jumbo rats...
So a month's worth of food for your standard 6-foot Republican.
#83 Feb 23 2010 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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Ecellent. You're closer to a 3 party system than you think.


Are you kidding? Independents are distancing themselves from Obama and the Democrats even to the point of the GOP gaining Mass. and you think the independents are going to the Dems?

The simple fact is most people in this country are conservative christians. They have far more in common with the GOP than they ever will with the liberal democrats.

You're not really this dumb are you? You currently have 2 parties. A 3rd party means they create anew one, dipsh*t.


Wow, someone clearly scored very low on the reading comprehension part of the SAT's. And just to clarify that person would be Varus.
#84 Feb 24 2010 at 11:41 AM Rating: Default
Democrats bring up this third party nonsense with the hope of splitting the GOP. It worked for Clinton so they're at it again.

#85 Feb 24 2010 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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I thought Christians frowned upon canniballism.


No. Cannibalism of demigods is a basic tenet of their belief system.
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#86 Feb 24 2010 at 2:23 PM Rating: Default
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No. Cannibalism of demigods is a basic tenet of their belief system.


Again with the Christian bashing.

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Democrats bring up this third party nonsense with the hope of splitting the GOP. It worked for Clinton so they're at it again.

I'm not a Democrat and I think a 3rd party, using middle of the road stakes, would rape both parties of their good people.
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#88 Feb 24 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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No. Cannibalism of demigods is a basic tenet of their belief system.


Again with the Christian bashing.



I'm only doing it because it annoys you :)
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#89 Feb 24 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not a Democrat and I think a 3rd party, using middle of the road stakes, would rape both parties of their good people.


Indeed, but starting a party up sucks for its politicians.

Unless you build it through a direct democracy approach.
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I'm not a Democrat and I think a 3rd party, using middle of the road stakes, would rape both parties of their good people.


Indeed, but starting a party up sucks for its politicians.

Unless you build it through a direct democracy approach.
Starting a new party couldn't be any worse for moderate Republicans than their current situation, and I don't think moderate Dems are far ff on that either.
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
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I'm not a Democrat and I think a 3rd party, using middle of the road stakes, would rape both parties of their good people.


Indeed, but starting a party up sucks for its politicians.

Unless you build it through a direct democracy approach.
Starting a new party couldn't be any worse for moderate Republicans than their current situation, and I don't think moderate Dems are far ff on that either.


As a politician, you get paid pretty well for minimal competence in an established party.

In order to get an equivalent level of recognition as a alternative party politician you need to be exceptionally good across multiple spheres.

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Fine, keep your ****** 2 party system.
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#93 Feb 24 2010 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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In the 80s, Reagan et al. made a deal with the devil - that is to say, the evangelicals in the Midwest and in the South - thus pushing the party toward social, as opposed to fiscal, conservatism.


And by "deal" you mean he told them he didn't agree with their position, opposed it openly and strongly, and caused a landslide defeat of their anti-gay measure? WTF? Did you just not bother to read?

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With Reagan at the helm (for the most part), things were kept under some measure of control. With him out of the picture, however, things started to spiral farther toward the right and farther away from any semblance of fiscal conservatism.


No. Reagan understood that most "Christian Values" are good things which don't hurt anyone and can and should be embraced, while firmly keeping the occasional fringe ideas at arm length. He understood that you don't toss out an entire group of people because a tiny portion of them hold positions you don't agree with. He also understood (as the Left has failed to do) that by demonizing the entire group, you only serve to empower that small percentage.


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I have some sympathy for the bewildered and beleaguered fiscal conservatives / social laissez-faire set. They got used and screwed.


Really? Are laws concerning social issues relevant to the group in question more or less stringent today than they were 30 years ago? I would argue that Reagan (and the Republican party in general) has used the social conservatives to push their fiscal agenda, accomplishing quite a bit on the fiscal side (with some notable exceptions), while not doing anything more than preventing abuses against the social conservatives in the process.


Look. I know everyone loves to talk up the evil religious fundamentalists, but the reality is that they are less powerful and less significant today than they ever have been in this country. The increased rhetoric is not from them but against them. It's why all the stuff you hear is attacking them for their positions and almost nothing defending them. That doesn't happen because they are gaining power, but because they've all but lost it. In fact, the pendulum has swung so far against them, that the other "side" is now pushing agenda positions so far to the extreme that moderates and centrists are starting to say "whoa now!".


30 years ago, there wasn't a single state even considering changing their marriage laws to include gay couples. The fact that there are several states, and pressure federally to address this should be the first clue as to which direction the power and voice has shifted. Let's at least be honest about this, shall we?
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#94 Feb 24 2010 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Fine, keep your sh*tty 2 party system.


It's not something 'we' want, per say.
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Oh. And for the record:

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State Delegate Bob Marshall of Manassas says disabled children are God's punishment to women who have aborted their first pregnancy.
At least I have some peace of mind now that I know God wreaked vengeance on Sarah Palin, Jennie McCarthy, John Travolta and Jordan Price.


So if imprisonment is a punishment for murder, then all people in prison committed murder? Yes. The logic in here is just astounding!

Didn't I already comment on this? Yes. I'm sure I did...

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#96 Feb 24 2010 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, yeah, clearly people are just goofin' on the idea of divine vengeance, as none of those conditions would be caused by a scarred or perforated uterus.

I knew a woman years ago who had a kid handicapped in a way that might be caused by some uterine injury. One of his hands was amputated in utero. At the time I couldn't imagine how that was possible, but this might at least partially explain it.

And no, I have no idea whether she'd ever had any type of abortion.

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So if imprisonment is a punishment for murder, then all people in prison committed murder? Yes. The logic in here is just astounding!

What's the logical track you take to figure out when some dipshit doesn't get jokes?
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So if imprisonment is a punishment for murder, then all people in prison committed murder? Yes. The logic in here is just astounding!
Given the premise, "All fish live underwater" and "All mackerel are fish", my wife will conclude, not that "All mackerel live underwater", but that "If she buys kippers it will not rain" or that "Trout live in trees" or even that "I do not love her any more."
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#99 Feb 24 2010 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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You left out, "Are you saying these pants make me look like a mackerel?"

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#100 Feb 24 2010 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Trick question! He doesn't let his wife wear pants.
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So if imprisonment is a punishment for murder, then all people in prison committed murder? Yes. The logic in here is just astounding!

What's the logical track you take to figure out when some dipshit doesn't get jokes?


I suppose it's the same one taken to realize that when that sort of "joke" is made, it's with the express hope that most people will take it seriously, and make major choices based on it (like say, who they vote for President of the US).

The "joke" here is the degree to which the political agenda of the Left depends on using said jokes to get people to vote the way they want...
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