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In the 80s, Reagan et al. made a deal with the devil - that is to say, the evangelicals in the Midwest and in the South - thus pushing the party toward social, as opposed to fiscal, conservatism.
And by "deal" you mean he told them he didn't agree with their position, opposed it openly and strongly, and caused a landslide defeat of their anti-gay measure? WTF? Did you just not bother to read?
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With Reagan at the helm (for the most part), things were kept under some measure of control. With him out of the picture, however, things started to spiral farther toward the right and farther away from any semblance of fiscal conservatism.
No. Reagan understood that most "Christian Values" are good things which don't hurt anyone and can and should be embraced, while firmly keeping the occasional fringe ideas at arm length. He understood that you don't toss out an entire group of people because a tiny portion of them hold positions you don't agree with. He also understood (as the Left has failed to do) that by demonizing the entire group, you only serve to empower that small percentage.
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I have some sympathy for the bewildered and beleaguered fiscal conservatives / social laissez-faire set. They got used and screwed.
Really? Are laws concerning social issues relevant to the group in question more or less stringent today than they were 30 years ago? I would argue that Reagan (and the Republican party in general) has used the social conservatives to push their fiscal agenda, accomplishing quite a bit on the fiscal side (with some notable exceptions), while not doing anything more than preventing abuses against the social conservatives in the process.
Look. I know everyone loves to talk up the evil religious fundamentalists, but the reality is that they are less powerful and less significant today than they ever have been in this country. The increased rhetoric is not
from them but
against them. It's why all the stuff you hear is attacking them for their positions and almost nothing defending them. That doesn't happen because they are gaining power, but because they've all but lost it. In fact, the pendulum has swung so far against them, that the other "side" is now pushing agenda positions so far to the extreme that moderates and centrists are starting to say "whoa now!".
30 years ago, there wasn't a single state even considering changing their marriage laws to include gay couples. The fact that there are several states, and pressure federally to address this should be the first clue as to which direction the power and voice has shifted. Let's at least be honest about this, shall we?