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#1 Feb 22 2010 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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There is a bill under proposal by the Maine legislature called An Act to Prevent the Spread of H1N1.

The bill doesn't mandate hand-washing or forbid sneezing in public, but it would require all employees, regardless of hours worked, to be eligible for sick time paid by the employer.

Here's the crux of the bill:

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2. Accrual of hours; amount; process. All employees have the right to paid sick leave as provided in this section.
A. A large business employer shall provide a minimum of one hour of paid sick leave for every 40 hours worked by an employee. The employer is not required to provide more than 52 hours paid sick leave in a calendar year. The employer shall allow an employee to carry over up to 52 hours paid sick leave to a subsequent calendar year, to the extent that they were not used by the employee.
B. A small business employer shall provide a minimum of one hour of paid sick leave for every 80 hours worked by an employee. The employer is not required to provide more than 26 hours paid sick leave in a calendar year. The employer shall allow an employee to carry over up to 26 hours paid sick leave to a subsequent calendar year, to the extent that they were not used by the employee.
C. An employer shall allow an employee to accrue paid sick leave beginning on the first day of employment. An employee may use accrued paid sick leave beginning on the 90th day after the employee's first day of employment, unless the employer agrees to an earlier date.
D. For a period of paid sick leave that is shorter than a normal work day, leave must be counted on an hourly basis or in the smallest increment that the employer's payroll system uses to account for absences or use of leave.


Currently no other states require employers to pay sick time to ALL employees.

Would this bill, if passed, curtail the spread of H1N1?

If it did pass and the threat of H1N1 was eliminated, should the law then be rescinded?

Downeast political shenanigans?

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#2 Feb 22 2010 at 9:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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I call shenanigans. H1N1, while endemic, has not proved to be the threat it was considered to be at first. Allowances should be made for pregnant women and pre-existing health conditions, possibly, but that should be up to the employer.

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#3 Feb 22 2010 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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First of all, what Samira said. Yes. The H1N1 hysteria has been a tempest in a teapot fueled by the pharmaceutical industry and the statistics have not borne out all the dire predictions.

Second, this bill is probably the most common-sense approach to curtailing the spread of the flu--whether H1N1 or regular ol' flu--of any law that has ever been written. One of the best ways to restrict the spread of the flu is quarantine, and I'm not talking about draconian measures involving locking people up involuntarily.

Give sick people the ability to keep their livelihood and they will happily self-quarantine. Who the bleeding fuck wants to go to work when they have the flu anyway? If they can stay home and still pay the bills, they will. Adults won't spread it to their co-workers. Parents won't take sick kids to daycare and spread it to the other children. File this under "Well, duh!"

Instead, we have dumbfuck corporations live WalMart giving people demerits for taking sick days and giving people every possible disincentive to self-quarantine. Ridiculous.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2010 7:32am by Ambrya
#4 Feb 22 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
When I went to work with whooping cough after taking a few days off, the branch manager overheard me coughing up a lung, and asked my floor manager why the hell I was still here getting everyone else sick. I got sent home from work for the rest of the week. XD

I think employers are afraid of malingering, and will still demand proof of illness (doctor's notes, etc) even if sick leave is mandated by the state.
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I think employers are afraid of malingering, and will still demand proof of illness (doctor's notes, etc) even if sick leave is mandated by the state.
We offer sick leave to staff, but only after the first day. We don't require a doctor's note, unless it becomes a common absence.
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#6 Feb 22 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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I think there is something in the bill about not requiring a note from doc until a certain amount of time has been exceeded.

Thing is with many contagious illnesses. You are most contagious before you even realize you're sick.

CDC says the single best way to prevent the spread of disease is vaccinations. I would think it would make much more sense to have a bill that says ALL people who work have to be vaccinated. Or maybe mandatory training on how to recognize contagious disease and minimize it's spread, or the issuance of them little masks.

While staying home from work when sick is a good move, the extreme argument would say we should always stay home if we are to divert people-meeting disasters. I don't think we should further encourage isolation.

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CDC says the single best way to prevent the spread of disease is vaccinations. I would think it would make much more sense to have a bill that says ALL people who work have to be vaccinated. Or maybe mandatory training on how to recognize contagious disease and minimize it's spread, or the issuance of them little masks.

I'm not looking forward to how future generations will fare with all the scaremongering surrounding vaccines.


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Depends how health-care shakes out.
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Depends how health-care shakes out.
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Sweetums wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
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I'm not looking forward to how future generations will fare with all the scaremongering surrounding vaccines.


Depends how health-care shakes out.
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Loons will be loons.

But loons don't shout very loudly without some sort of backing.
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I would think it would make much more sense to have a bill that says ALL people who work have to be vaccinated.
Can you imagine that surviving if it was passed though? Surely, forced vaccinations are unconstitutional. I don't see them being able to force vaccinations on us up here and we're far more open to what we'll let the government dictate to us.
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Timelordwho wrote:
Sweetums wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
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I'm not looking forward to how future generations will fare with all the scaremongering surrounding vaccines.


Depends how health-care shakes out.
Just because you give them away doesn't mean the loons will be any smarter.


Loons will be loons.

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All they would need is a trip to Mother Oprah.
#13 Feb 22 2010 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
I would think it would make much more sense to have a bill that says ALL people who work have to be vaccinated.
Can you imagine that surviving if it was passed though? Surely, forced vaccinations are unconstitutional. I don't see them being able to force vaccinations on us up here and we're far more open to what we'll let the government dictate to us.
No, it would never pass. I kind of like the annual awareness training. That could pass. It would provide the employer with some liability and maybe even teach the workforce something about avoiding disease transmission. I can see the headline now though "Deadly flu breakout traced to gathering for government mandated training session".
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Well the Maine thing is, that would pretty well destroy maine's economy. so there is that. Maybe then no one will confuse the two portlands?
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#15 Feb 23 2010 at 6:12 AM Rating: Good
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No way that'll pass. This would mean you now have to offer sick leave benefits to staff that previously had none for a non-lethal illness? Christ. Now I know why Nexa wants out. Maine is full of monkeytards.

As far as I know, Chicago hospitals made H1N1 vaccinations optional this year (I got one) but will be mandating them for all hospital employees next year. It's no big deal to me as there is already a laundry list of vaccines I have to have to be able to work where I do and frankly, I'd glad of it. I know a couple of people threatening to quit if this becomes the case, but it won't stop the hospitals from requiring it and I guess if it's worth their jobs to them, they should quit.



Edited, Feb 23rd 2010 6:13am by Atomicflea
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