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#1 Feb 18 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
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...take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

Austin plane crash was deliberate

"Insane Manifesto"/Suicide Note

Why is it that when a (presumably) white non-Muslim guy crashes his plane into a building for social and political reasons he is only "insane" and the media and law agencies are quick to "rule out terrorism?" Is it only Muslims from other countries that can be labeled terrorists so we can strip them of their human rights?

On a related note, the free edition of TurboTax netted me a $1000 difference on my federal taxes this year, I never knew you could take so many deductions.

#2 Feb 18 2010 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think the bigger mystery here is that this doofus persuaded not on, but two different women to marry him. Presumably at different times, of course.

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#3 Feb 18 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
I think the bigger mystery here is that this doofus persuaded not on, but two different women to marry him. Presumably at different times, of course.



Well if Federline can get a couple of famous women, I suppose anyone can.
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Why is it that when a (presumably) white non-Muslim guy crashes his plane into a building for social and political reasons he is only "insane"

Terrorism aside, his manifesto sounds like it was generated by one of those automatic rant generators.
Crazy guy could have wrote:
Okay, let's do it. Let's build a sane and healthy society free of Internal Revenue Service's destructive influences. In the text that follows, I don't intend to recount all of the damage caused by Internal Revenue Service's superficial, foul-mouthed ethics but I do want to point out that when I was younger I wanted to mention a bit about overbearing flimflammers such as Internal Revenue Service. I still want to do that, but now I realize that it cannot tolerate the world as it is. It needs to live in a world of fantasies. To be more specific, I recently informed Internal Revenue Service that its flunkies make its newsgroup postings a key dynamic in modern Maoism by viscerally defining "epididymodeferentectomy" through the experience of insensate revanchism. Internal Revenue Service said it'd "look further into the matter." Well, not too much further. After all, I wouldn't judge its surrogates too harshly. They're indisputably just cannon fodder for Internal Revenue Service's plot to sacrifice children on the twin altars of statism and greed.

For brevity, I won't comment further on that but rather on the way that we must overcome the fears that beset us every day of our lives. We must overcome the fear that Internal Revenue Service will transform our whole society to suit its own illiberal interests. And to overcome these fears, we must arraign Internal Revenue Service at the tribunal of public opinion. I recommend paying close attention to the praxeological method developed by the economist Ludwig von Mises and using it as a technique to exercise all of our basic rights to the maximum. The praxeological method is useful in this context because it employs praxeology, the general science of human action, to explain why Internal Revenue Service has been trying to convince us that the only way to expand one's mind is with drugs—or maybe even chocolate. This pathetic attempt to spread gangsterism all over the globe like pigeon droppings over Trafalgar Square deserves no comment other than to say that Internal Revenue Service uses the word "undiscriminatingness" to justify challenging all I stand for. In doing so, it is reversing the meaning of that word as a means of disguising the fact that it extricates itself from difficulty by intrigue, by chicanery, by dissimulation, by trimming, by an untruth, by an injustice.

We all learned the Golden Rule in school. Maybe Internal Revenue Service was absent that day. Internal Revenue Service's most unsophisticated tactic is to fabricate a phony war between headstrong hedonists and what I call deplorable vulgarians. This way, it can subjugate both groups into helping it make bribery legal and part of business as usual. I unmistakably don't want that to happen, which is why I'm telling you that the first lies that Internal Revenue Service told us were relatively benign. Still, they have been progressing. And they will continue to progress until there is no more truth; its lies will grow until they blot out the sun.

If Internal Revenue Service feels ridiculed by all the attention my letters are bringing it, then that's just too darn bad. Its arrogance has brought this upon itself. Internal Revenue Service is a scion of ribald troublemakers. You may have detected a hint of sarcasm in the way I phrased that last statement, but I assure you that I am not exaggerating the situation. In that respect, we can say that we must help young people develop the ability to make informed and reasoned decisions for the public good as citizens of a culturally diverse, democratic society in an interdependent world. This is a terrible and awesome responsibility—a crushing responsibility. However, if we stick together we can can show the world that if Internal Revenue Service opened its eyes, it'd realize that its reportages are just an outcropping of its hatred of us.

For Internal Revenue Service's brutal plans to succeed, it needs to dumb down our society. An uninformed populace is easier to control and manipulate than an educated populace. Within a short period of time, schoolchildren will stop being required to learn the meanings of words like "mechanicocorpuscular" and "galvanocauterization". They will be incapable of comprehending that no one likes being attacked by coprophagous poltroons. Even worse, Internal Revenue Service exploits our fear of those attacks—which it claims will evolve eventually into biological, chemical, or nuclear attacks—as a pretext to make us the helpless puppets of our demographic labels. If you think that's scary, then you should remember that I have never been in favor of being gratuitously disruptive. I have also never been in favor of sticking my head in the sand or of refusing to tell you a little bit about Internal Revenue Service and its loathsome witticisms. If clueless vagrants really believed in equality, they wouldn't overthrow the government and eliminate the money system. And that's the honest truth.
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#5REDACTED, Posted: Feb 18 2010 at 2:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This guy is a patriot who was willing to sacrifice his life to attack the evil that is the IRS.
#6 Feb 18 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
This guy is a patriot who was willing to sacrifice his life to attack the evil that is the IRS.


Or a slack-jawed moron. It's a fine line.

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What's the difference between a patriot fighting against a corrupt govn and a terrorist?



Dress sense?
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#7 Feb 18 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
What's the difference between a patriot fighting against a corrupt govn and a terrorist?
Race?
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I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#8REDACTED, Posted: Feb 18 2010 at 2:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) bsphil,
#9 Feb 18 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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virus wrote:
What's the difference between a patriot fighting against a corrupt govn and a terrorist?


Which side of the line you're standing on, I suppose. It is nice to see you supporting your fellow terrorists, though, I must say. I guess the only thing standing in your way of all-out support for global terrorism is your bigotry, really.

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#10 Feb 18 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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What's the difference between a patriot fighting against a corrupt govn and a terrorist?


One word, perspective. The question you have to ask yourself is this, does your act of patriotism end up hurting more bystanders than it does the "corrupt government"?
#11 Feb 18 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
This guy is a patriot who was willing to sacrifice his life to attack the evil that is the IRS.

What's the difference between a patriot fighting against a corrupt govn and a terrorist?


Did you actually want an answer to that question?

An "attacker", whether sane or insane, patriotic or not, acting legally or not, is someone who attacks the target of his anger either just to hurt them, or to try to get them to change something they are doing.

A terrorist attacks people in, around, or associated with the thing they are pissed at, on the theory that if they scare all the citizens, friends, family, or whatever, those people will then turn and pressure the thing they really dislike to change. What makes it "terrorism" is that it could strike anyone anywhere.
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#12 Feb 18 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
bsphil,

You're tendency to bring race into everything aside; what is the difference?
There is no difference. I'm merely answer questions the way you would.

Also, love the use of "you're" instead of the correct "your".



Edited, Feb 18th 2010 2:44pm by bsphil
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#13 Feb 18 2010 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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After reading Thur the suicide note I started reading the comments below. This one struck me.

"Without taking a side in this case, I do wonder how many of those who condemn this man for his actions would have condemned Bostonians for throwing tea in the harbor? Or decried the founding fathers as new world terrorists bent on disrupting society.

The fact is, this country was founded on the principles of revolution, nearly all of it marked with violence. Conservatives and Liberals alike have become so complacent that they would rather see America descend into a neo-fascist state of total conformists and strict police control than face some cold and unfortunate truths about the state of our country. Sit back and think about who really owns the political process, the elected officials, who is making the decision regarding your future and your children's future. If you think it's "We, The People", then I feel for your sense of perception.

I will condemn the actions of the man in this case. It's hard for me to fathom why it would come to this. But I know that revolutions were not started, fought, or won by men like me. "

The guy was a loon, but he had a few points that are correct. The government ( Dem's and Republicans ) and not there to serve the people. They serve what ever corporate entity that give them en ought money to win election by the small percentage of folk who still care enough to vote. Once in office needs of the people are forsaken until the next campaign.

Sadly enough I can't ever see this changing. Some idiots out there love to talk revolution, but in todays society they are the fringe and I cannot see the "real" Americans doing so, most of us are sheep.

This guy is not a Patriot by any means, hes a moron, but a lot of middle America feal the same way he does about a lot he rambled on about.
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#14 Feb 18 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nevertheless, the things he complains about were all avoidable mistakes on his part, aside from the recession and the dot-com crash.

It is possible to incorporate a business that doesn't get summarily suspended by the state tax board. People do it all the time. He couldn't seem to manage it; but then his major focus seems to have been on not paying taxes, period.

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#15 Feb 18 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
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A terrorist attacks people in, around, or associated with the thing they are pissed at, on the theory that if they scare all the citizens, friends, family, or whatever, those people will then turn and pressure the thing they really dislike to change. What makes it "terrorism" is that it could strike anyone anywhere.


So according to this definition and his suicide note he is clearly a terrorist.
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#17 Feb 18 2010 at 2:58 PM Rating: Excellent
I was talking with a co-worker today. She brought this to my attention because she is from Texas and used to work in that building. I mentioned that I didn't consider this terrorism, per se, but that it obviously wasn't an accident. (This was before I had read his manifesto or whatever.)

I think I'm changing my opinoin on that, though. This guy clearly wants things to change. This was motivated by a need to be heard and for the government to take notice of "the little guy."

I feel bad for the guy, but I don't think this was the answer.

And as for the "Would you condemn the tea party people," this is just way too different. The Boston Tea Party didn't endanger any lives. This guy could've killed a lot of people.
#18 Feb 18 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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A terrorist attacks people in, around, or associated with the thing they are pissed at, on the theory that if they scare all the citizens, friends, family, or whatever, those people will then turn and pressure the thing they really dislike to change. What makes it "terrorism" is that it could strike anyone anywhere.


So according to this definition and his suicide note he is clearly a terrorist.



Considering there are reportedly IRS offices in the building he flew into, no, even if he missed his intended target. There was clear intent to directly attack the agency he was angry with. He's still a dumbass, though.
#19 Feb 18 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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soulshaver wrote:
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A terrorist attacks people in, around, or associated with the thing they are pissed at, on the theory that if they scare all the citizens, friends, family, or whatever, those people will then turn and pressure the thing they really dislike to change. What makes it "terrorism" is that it could strike anyone anywhere.


So according to this definition and his suicide note he is clearly a terrorist.



Considering there are reportedly IRS offices in the building he flew into, no, even if he missed his intended target. There was clear intent to directly attack the agency he was angry with. He's still a dumbass, though.



Bolding the important parts that make this terrorism by this definition.
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But no one is really going to pressure the IRS to change over this. If you want "terrorism", you crash your plane into a movie theater or a shopping mall so people think "Because of the IRS, I might die while watching 'Valentines Day'! They have to do something about this!"
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#21 Feb 18 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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DsComputer wrote:
soulshaver wrote:
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A terrorist attacks people in, around, or associated with the thing they are pissed at, on the theory that if they scare all the citizens, friends, family, or whatever, those people will then turn and pressure the thing they really dislike to change. What makes it "terrorism" is that it could strike anyone anywhere.


So according to this definition and his suicide note he is clearly a terrorist.



Considering there are reportedly IRS offices in the building he flew into, no, even if he missed his intended target. There was clear intent to directly attack the agency he was angry with. He's still a dumbass, though.



Bolding the important parts that make this terrorism by this definition.


Doh, I only skim quotes when I just read the thread, and flip-flopped quoted with gbaji's definition of an attacker, which is what would fit this dumbass.


Edit: But yeah, I wouldn't consider him a terrorist. He wasn't trying to strike anyone, anywhere. He was trying to strike the IRS, presumably the office of the person he perceived as his persecutor. Admittedly, I haven't been news hounding the story, even though it's on every channel.

Edited, Feb 18th 2010 4:20pm by DsComputer
#22 Feb 18 2010 at 3:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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But no one is really going to pressure the IRS to change over this. If you want "terrorism", you crash your plane into a movie theater or a shopping mall so people think "Because of the IRS, I might die while watching 'Valentines Day'! They have to do something about this!"


Of course they aren't, but his intention was for them to take notice and pressure the government into change. He even said he wanted to wake up the "American zombies."

And a big office building that contains some IRS offices could be the equivilant of crashing into a movie theater, when you think about it. I mean, if I wanted to hit the IRS, I wouldn't think "East Texas." I'd think DC.

It may not be good terrorism, but I still think it's considered terrorism.

Edited, Feb 18th 2010 3:20pm by Belkira
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Of course they aren't, but his intention was for them to take notice and pressure the government into change. He even said he wanted to wake up the "American zombies."

I'm not really saying that he didn't intend to be a terrorist as much as I'm saying he was a pretty half-assed terrorist.

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It may not be good terrorism, but I still think it's considered terrorism.

Yup. That.
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#24 Feb 18 2010 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not really saying that he didn't intend to be a terrorist as much as I'm saying he was a pretty half-assed terrorist.


According to some of the things I read in his suicide note, he did a half-assed job of a lot of things in his life, why should this be different?
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I would think that terrorist action against a Gary Marshall film might be my kind of radical movement.
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#26 Feb 18 2010 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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Why is it that when a (presumably) white non-Muslim guy crashes his plane into a building for social and political reasons he is only "insane" and the media and law agencies are quick to "rule out terrorism?"


So years ago I looked up the FBI statistics on terrorists (within the US). This is before the changes under Bush which, to my knowledge, broadened the definition. (It may also have eliminated many of the very minor acts: literally there were spray painting incidents on the FBI terrorist statistics - who knew?). At that time, virtually every act was ELF/ALF/animal rights folks. And virtually none targeted people - only property. Now I have little knowledge of the animal rights movement or of the more extreme members however my impression is that they, ethnically, are typical folks you find in the US.

My own definition of terrorism is: violence against civilians in an effort to change policy. Not that I think it is particularly special crime.

Lastly, I find paying taxes patriotic and people who break the law to avoid taxes despicable, although I know it is very common.
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