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So are you guys ready to admit that Barry was and is an unqualified joke that was propped up by the media yet? Are you ready to admit you guys were sold an image?
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Thankfully for Obama, it's only 2010. There's still plenty of time for the GOP to sufficiently embarrass themselves.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
ThiefX wrote:
So are you guys ready to admit that GW Bush was an unqualified joke that was propped up by Fox News yet? Are you ready to admit you guys were sold an image?
This really hard to say, but, you're right.
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
According to that poll, the only people that the respondents seem to like less than Obama are the Republican members of Congress. I'm not sure what ThiefX can make of that but that doesn't speak well for the GOPs reelection chances either.
Edited, Feb 17th 2010 12:18am by Annabella
Edited, Feb 17th 2010 12:18am by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Nope, & he'll trounce the tea party's candidate in 2012 too.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
ThiefX wrote:
Barry was and is an unqualified joke that was propped up by the media yet?
In 2009, Obama had the most legislatively successful year of any president in at least the last 60 years. For an unqualified joke reliant upon the media, he's getting a lot done.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
ThiefX wrote:
Barry was and is an unqualified joke that was propped up by the media yet?
In 2009, Obama had the most legislatively successful year of any president in at least the last 60 years. For an unqualified joke reliant upon the media, he's getting a lot done.
As measured by what, exactly?
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
In Hawaii, during the GOP convention, Obama's approval rating hit 70.8%
It's even higher in DC. I think we can infer that presence of the GOP is the greatest indicator of high approval for our president.
It's even higher in DC. I think we can infer that presence of the GOP is the greatest indicator of high approval for our president.
Just as Planned.
Demea wrote:
As measured by what, exactly?
Congress.org wrote:
President Obama set a new record last year for getting Congress to vote his way, according to an annual study by Congressional Quarterly.
In his first year in office, Obama won 96.7 percent of the votes on which he had clearly staked a position.
That was a bit less than 4 percentage points higher than the previous record, set by President Lyndon Johnson in 1965.
Congressional Quarterly, a sister publication to Congress.org, has compiled statistics on presidential support since 1953. Editors select the votes based on clear statements by the president or authorized spokesmen before the vote.
In all, Congress took 151 votes in which Obama had taken a position ahead of time.
In his first year in office, Obama won 96.7 percent of the votes on which he had clearly staked a position.
That was a bit less than 4 percentage points higher than the previous record, set by President Lyndon Johnson in 1965.
Congressional Quarterly, a sister publication to Congress.org, has compiled statistics on presidential support since 1953. Editors select the votes based on clear statements by the president or authorized spokesmen before the vote.
In all, Congress took 151 votes in which Obama had taken a position ahead of time.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
ThiefX wrote:
Are you ready to admit you guys were sold an image?
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
So, if I understand that statistic correctly, Obama has garnered the most votes, as a percentage of the total, supporting his positions since Lyndon B. Johnson, while having the largest Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress since... Lyndon B. Johnson? I fail to see exactly what that is supposed to say about his legislative efficacy, especially since he's not a legislator.
He gets props for holding the party line more than any other President since LBJ? Forgive me for being unimpressed.
He gets props for holding the party line more than any other President since LBJ? Forgive me for being unimpressed.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Demea wrote:
I fail to see exactly what that is supposed to say about his legislative efficacy, especially since he's not a legislator.
Presidents have traditionally driven legislation. This is kind of the entire point of getting up on stage and saying "If elected, I promise to lower your taxes and create jobs and fill your pots with chickens!" despite the president having no unilateral authority to create legislation in regards to job creation, tax relief or chicken investment.
Edited, Feb 17th 2010 12:11am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Elinda wrote:
ThiefX wrote:
Are you ready to admit you guys were sold an image?
I'm still waiting on my auto magnet from the time I donated $5
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
My point was not to question the job description of the President, but more to question the meaning of the statistic. By the same measure, I'd wager that Obama is the most unilateral, partisan President in history, garnering the lowest percentage of opposition-party votes by total.
Which is basically meaningless without context. Just like the first statistic.
Edited, Feb 17th 2010 12:16am by Demea
Which is basically meaningless without context. Just like the first statistic.
Edited, Feb 17th 2010 12:16am by Demea
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Demea wrote:
My point was not to question the job description of the President, but more to question the meaning of the statistic.
It's just a metric for determining how successful a president has been in getting his agenda enacted. You can balance it against other metrics if you'd like but that doesn't make it meaningless.
Just to throw more data points out there (not that they necessarily relate to the above), here's PolitiFact's little "Obameter" tracker for his various promises. Of course, this depends a bit on your own interpretation on what's important and what isn't (I don't think that "Release oil from Strategic Petroleum Reserve" was a major component of his agenda but "Ask people and businesses to conserve electricity" isn't exactly the basis of a rousing success story either).
Edit: That PolitiFact thing seems at least somewhat out of date. I noticed, for example, that they list PAYGO rules as "Stalled" and last updated in May 2009 when both chambers of Congress have enacted PAYGO restrictions this past January.
Edited, Feb 17th 2010 12:43am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
You were right ThiefX. Damn, damn, damn, why didn't we listen to you?! I mean, we could have, you did tell us, we had the opportunity, but we were all like "nuh-huh, I'm not listening, la la la...", but god-darn-gosh-barn-it, you were right, and you told us so, time and time again you did, damn. We got told.
By you.
Gosh.
By you.
Gosh.
I must have missed the election. 
Fortunately, all of the really big items have been or will soon be rethought.
This thread is dumb anyway but, since we're concerning ourselves with numbers and politics, this is as good a place as any for some info dumping.
And, I found this interesting since we're constantly told (in regards to health care) "the public has voted against it so it's a terrible idea!"
So, since the American public has overwhelming rejected the SCotUS's interpretation of the First Amendment and its relation to corporate political activity, we all agree that it's a terrible ruling and should be fixed, right? Right? 'Cause the public said so? No arguments? Good.
Political Wire wrote:
The New York Times looks at the economic stimulus bill passed a year ago and notes that despite the bad publicity and political grandstanding, it actually worked.
"Perhaps the best-known economic research firms are IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers and Moody's Economy.com. They all estimate that the bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs. The Congressional Budget Office, an independent agency, considers these estimates to be conservative."
"Perhaps the best-known economic research firms are IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers and Moody's Economy.com. They all estimate that the bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs. The Congressional Budget Office, an independent agency, considers these estimates to be conservative."
And, I found this interesting since we're constantly told (in regards to health care) "the public has voted against it so it's a terrible idea!"
Quote:
A new Washington Post/ABC News poll finds that Americans of both parties "overwhelmingly oppose" a Supreme Court ruling that allows corporations and unions to spend as much as they want on political campaigns.
Interestingly, the poll reveals relatively little difference of opinion on the issue among Democrats (85% opposed to the ruling), Republicans (76%) and independents (81%).
"The results suggest a strong reservoir of bipartisan support on the issue for President Obama and congressional Democrats, who are in the midst of crafting legislation aimed at limiting the impact of the high court's decision."
Meanwhile, Republican leaders "have praised the ruling as a victory for free speech and have signaled their intent to oppose any legislation intended to blunt the impact of the court's decision."
Interestingly, the poll reveals relatively little difference of opinion on the issue among Democrats (85% opposed to the ruling), Republicans (76%) and independents (81%).
"The results suggest a strong reservoir of bipartisan support on the issue for President Obama and congressional Democrats, who are in the midst of crafting legislation aimed at limiting the impact of the high court's decision."
Meanwhile, Republican leaders "have praised the ruling as a victory for free speech and have signaled their intent to oppose any legislation intended to blunt the impact of the court's decision."
So, since the American public has overwhelming rejected the SCotUS's interpretation of the First Amendment and its relation to corporate political activity, we all agree that it's a terrible ruling and should be fixed, right? Right? 'Cause the public said so? No arguments? Good.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Jophiel wrote:
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publiusvarus wrote:
If the stimulus was working why do we need another "jobs" bill?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
publiusvarus wrote:
only 6% of the american public think the stimulus has created jobs.
publiusvarus wrote:
Only liberal idiots think the stimulus has done anything other than create more govn jobs.
So did it create more jobs or not?
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