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#52 Feb 17 2010 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Raolan wrote:
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Not according to you. She broke the law while it was the law.


You're right, she did, and she was convicted. The appeals process allowed the conviction to be overturned.

In this case the guy isn't appealing the conviction, he isn't even denying the act. He simply wants it removed.

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The fact that someone in the UK must've hated homos enough to make a law, so this guy should have to suffer.


Word it how you want, the fact remains that he willing decided to break the law, so yes, he should pay the consequences.

It has nothing to do with the homosexuality, it has to do with committing a crime and paying for it.

I'm sorry if my opinion is a little too "black and white" for people but that's how it is.


Except that in this country at least, pardons by executives in office exist for this very reason; to remove unjust and undeserved convictions and their stigma. This law should have never existed and ANYONE convicted under it should receive an official pardon having it expunged from their record, and an apology from said official. It isn't a hard concept to grasp. You may live in a black and white world, but gray areas do exist and need to be addressed.
#53 Feb 17 2010 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
Raolan wrote:
Word it how you want, the fact remains that he willing decided to break the law, so yes, he should pay the consequences.

It has nothing to do with the homosexuality, it has to do with committing a crime and paying for it.

I'm sorry if my opinion is a little too "black and white" for people but that's how it is.


What crime do you think was committed here, exactly? Being born a homosexual?
#54 Feb 17 2010 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
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It isn't a hard concept to grasp.


But, law is infallible! Haven't you heard?
#55 Feb 17 2010 at 4:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Raolan wrote:
Word it how you want, the fact remains that he willing decided to break the law, so yes, he should pay the consequences


With that kind of attitude you will be paying a price your entire life. I pity you Smiley: disappointed

#56 Feb 17 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Raolan wrote:
Word it how you want, the fact remains that he willing decided to break the law, so yes, he should pay the consequences.


Must be nice to have such a narrow view of the world. I guess the blinders really are comforting, regardless of what you may miss.
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#57 Feb 17 2010 at 4:52 PM Rating: Default
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If heterosexual sex were outlawed, would you refrain from having sex ever again?


Nope

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If you were convicted of having sex would you feel that the judgment was fair?


Nope. But I wouldn't expect to have it erased from my record because I cried about it either. I made the decision to break the law, I made the decision to deal with the consequences.

And no, it's not a situation of "well if you were in the situation you would think differently". Awhile back I decided to overextend my credit at the same time my boss decided to drink away the companies profits, resulting in my royally ****** up credit. I don't blame her for it (but I do blame her for ******** us all out of a dream job) because overextending myself was my choice, now the consequences are my responsibility.

I know it's not the same but if you really want to debate the consequences of a rock bottom credit score versus what is likely a misdemeanor conviction, go ahead.
#58 Feb 17 2010 at 4:57 PM Rating: Excellent
Raolan wrote:
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If heterosexual sex were outlawed, would you refrain from having sex ever again?


Nope

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If you were convicted of having sex would you feel that the judgment was fair?


Nope. But I wouldn't expect to have it erased from my record because I cried about it either. I made the decision to break the law, I made the decision to deal with the consequences.


That's a sad, pathetic attitude to have, really.

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And no, it's not a situation of "well if you were in the situation you would think differently". Awhile back I decided to overextend my credit at the same time my boss decided to drink away the companies profits, resulting in my royally @#%^ed up credit. I don't blame her for it (but I do blame her for ******** us all out of a dream job) because overextending myself was my choice, now the consequences are my responsibility.

I know it's not the same but if you really want to debate the consequences of a rock bottom credit score versus what is likely a misdemeanor conviction, go ahead.



Over extending your credit and being involved in a physical relationship with a loved one are so very, very far apart it's not even funny. You deserve to have your credit ruined. He doesn't deserve to have his life ruined.
#59 Feb 17 2010 at 4:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Raolan wrote:
Nope. But I wouldn't expect to have it erased from my record because I cried about it either. I made the decision to break the law, I made the decision to deal with the consequences.


He isn't asking to have it removed simply because he is crying about it. The original law was unjust. Why would you ask someone to continue to be punished for something which isn't and shouldn't ever have been a crime? He shouldn't have ever been placed in the situation in which he was breaking the law by having consensual sex in private.
#60 Feb 17 2010 at 5:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I know it's not the same


Not unless overextending your credit is a biological drive. Maybe it is for some people.

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#61 Feb 17 2010 at 5:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
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I know it's not the same


Not unless overextending your credit is a biological drive. Maybe it is for some people.



I think it's a disorder carried on the X Chromosome, and only appears if two copies are paired together.
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#62 Feb 17 2010 at 5:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Samira wrote:
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I know it's not the same


Not unless overextending your credit is a biological drive. Maybe it is for some people.



I think it's a disorder carried on the X Chromosome, and only appears if two copies are paired together.


Yeah, no.

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#63 Feb 17 2010 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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I bet Tirith also laughs at Blondie Comic Strips.
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#64 Feb 17 2010 at 5:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
I bet Tirith also laughs at Blondie Comic Strips.


Never cared for Blondie. Hagar the Horrible, Family Circus and Foxtrot are pretty much the only ones I ever read. Oh, and Dilbert.

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#65 Feb 17 2010 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Samira wrote:
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I know it's not the same


Not unless overextending your credit is a biological drive. Maybe it is for some people.



I think it's a disorder carried on the X Chromosome, and only appears if two copies are paired together.
I think I heard Fred say that to Ethel once on an episode of I Love Lucy.
#66 Feb 17 2010 at 5:35 PM Rating: Default
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
I think I heard Fred say that to Ethel once on an episode of I Love Lucy.


Fred Mertz was a role model when I was growing up.
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