...for being too fat.
Now this is according to him. Haters crashed the Southwest blog, but TMZ has both his take and the company's.
I feel his pain because for not being able to just switch his plans and fly issue-free due to his size, but it does seem that he forgot what it is to fly standby. They'll kick you off the flight even after they seat you if the asshat who likes to show up for a 10:35 flight shows up at 10:20 suddenly means there's no room for you. Those are just the breaks.
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Would have been a different story if he hadn't been trying to get on an earlier flight with a single seat left.
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I've always liked him, but it really does seem like he's neglecting to look at the whole picture here and for all his claims that his size doesn't bother him, it seems like all this anger is coming from a place of shame.
I'm 6'2, fairly heavy, with enourmous feet. The average passenger aircraft seat space is smaller than would be comfortable for me, but I can fit my entire personage into that space and safely buckle the seatbelt without intrudeing into a second seat. Sure, I might hog the armrest, but i'll happily arm wrestle the person in the next seat over for rights to it if they want.
In an airplane crash, I would probably be mangled pretty badly, because my knees and upper leg bones would shatter in a crash. But if its that bad a crash anyways, we're all gonna die because every aircraft manufacturered prior to 1999 (basically every short hop boeing and airbus airplane, and most of the 747's) only has a seat capable of withstanding about6-7 G's of frontal shear load. The spec requiring 16G capable seats didn't go into effect until 1999, and it wasn't made retroactive. This means that literally 3/4ths of the airplanes flying today would turn you into paste in a crash that would have been survivable with the 16G seats. The 16G seats are expensive by comparison, but not manditory, so they don't get installed.
So I doon't worry about dying in an airpolane crash any more than the rest of the people on board should. If they tried to kick me off the plane for being some sort of "safety hazard" though, I would have every news agency in the state at the airport to cover the story within the hour.
In an airplane crash, I would probably be mangled pretty badly, because my knees and upper leg bones would shatter in a crash. But if its that bad a crash anyways, we're all gonna die because every aircraft manufacturered prior to 1999 (basically every short hop boeing and airbus airplane, and most of the 747's) only has a seat capable of withstanding about6-7 G's of frontal shear load. The spec requiring 16G capable seats didn't go into effect until 1999, and it wasn't made retroactive. This means that literally 3/4ths of the airplanes flying today would turn you into paste in a crash that would have been survivable with the 16G seats. The 16G seats are expensive by comparison, but not manditory, so they don't get installed.
So I doon't worry about dying in an airpolane crash any more than the rest of the people on board should. If they tried to kick me off the plane for being some sort of "safety hazard" though, I would have every news agency in the state at the airport to cover the story within the hour.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
In an airplane crash, I would probably be mangled pretty badly, because my knees and upper leg bones would shatter in a crash. But if its that bad a crash anyways, we're all gonna die because every aircraft manufacturered prior to 1999 (basically every short hop boeing and airbus airplane, and most of the 747's) only has a seat capable of withstanding about6-7 G's of frontal shear load. The spec requiring 16G capable seats didn't go into effect until 1999, and it wasn't made retroactive. This means that literally 3/4ths of the airplanes flying today would turn you into paste in a crash that would have been survivable with the 16G seats. The 16G seats are expensive by comparison, but not manditory, so they don't get installed.
Let's say you did spill over into a second seat. Would you still complain?
I never thought he was really at-risk fat. I mean, he's no Chris Farley, right?
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Debalic wrote:
I never thought he was really at-risk fat. I mean, he's no Chris Farley, right?
He's pretty big. He's something like 6'2" ~350 lbs. He's definitely not like "work out a bit and he'd be a goal weight" at this point.
He broke a toilet in 2008. Not sure how much weight he's lost since then.
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Let's say you did spill over into a second seat. Would you still complain?
Let's say you did spill over into a second seat. Would you still complain?
Probably not at that point, the problem being perception of whether I think I fit, vs the flight attendants oppinion. My knees are going to intrude a bit on the seat next to me, but that would be true regardless of the amount I weigh simply due to my height.
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but it does seem that he forgot what it is to fly standby.
This. Standby means you're the first one kicked off the plane if one of the first class passengers complains that the cabin is stuffy.
catwho wrote:
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but it does seem that he forgot what it is to fly standby.
This. Standby means you're the first one kicked off the plane if one of the first class passengers complains that the cabin is stuffy.
SWA apparently doesn't actually have first class. They have something like business and business plus, but both seats are the same type and in the same area.
Overburn wrote:
catwho wrote:
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but it does seem that he forgot what it is to fly standby.
This. Standby means you're the first one kicked off the plane if one of the first class passengers complains that the cabin is stuffy.
SWA apparently doesn't actually have first class. They have something like business and business plus, but both seats are the same type and in the same area.
Sweetums wrote:
Why the hell is he flying Southwest at his weight when he'd easily have enough income to pay for a more comfortable ticket? They're the cheap airline, and I'm certain he has enough money to choose an airline that has more seat sizes than "small" and "cramped."
Dude, he's indie. It's his thing to slum it with the rest of us common folk.
publiusvarus wrote:
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Sweetums wrote:
Overburn wrote:
catwho wrote:
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but it does seem that he forgot what it is to fly standby.
This. Standby means you're the first one kicked off the plane if one of the first class passengers complains that the cabin is stuffy.
SWA apparently doesn't actually have first class. They have something like business and business plus, but both seats are the same type and in the same area.
Oddly enough, every ticket I have seen in the past 2 years or so has been cheaper from Delta, AirTran, or United. Southwest is now comparatively pricey.
Back in college it was definitely the cheapest, but that was a couple of years ago (2004-2008).
I cannot wait to see the airline industry satire movie that springs froth from this!
Sweetums wrote:
Overburn wrote:
catwho wrote:
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but it does seem that he forgot what it is to fly standby.
This. Standby means you're the first one kicked off the plane if one of the first class passengers complains that the cabin is stuffy.
SWA apparently doesn't actually have first class. They have something like business and business plus, but both seats are the same type and in the same area.
I've only been skimming his tweets about the event, but I think it was only supposed to be an hour plane ride. For long flights, he goes first class, but for short flights he buys two regular seats. However, he changed flight times which put him on stand-by, so he wasn't able to get two seats. He was apparently able to fit in one seat(put the arm rest down) according to him though.
Overburn wrote:
I've only been skimming his tweets about the event, but I think it was only supposed to be an hour plane ride. For long flights, he goes first class, but for short flights he buys two regular seats. However, he changed flight times which put him on stand-by, so he wasn't able to get two seats. He was apparently able to fit in one seat(put the arm rest down) according to him though.
More to the point, for short hops, there aren't business or first class seats. Everyone sits in the teeny seats, and I would assume his only option is to buy a second seat. I'm not sure why he's making a big deal out of this. He knew that the seat on the earlier flight was purely optional and that he could get bumped for pretty much any reason. I've only heard a bit about this and haven't gone out looking into every detail, but was his original flight booking still available to him? If so, then what's the deal?
If it's because of *why* he was kicked off, well... It's not like he didn't know he was fat. He wouldn't "normally buy two seats" if he wasn't aware of the issue. The one bit I can see as legitimate is annoyance that clearly whomever made the decision to allow him in the earlier flight had to know how big he was, and did it anyway only to have that decision reversed later. I can absolutely see how that would be irritating and needlessly embarrassing...
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It seems like bad business sense to kick someone off the flight who is as well known and has as much access to the media as Kevin Smith for such a easily resolved reason. I think that someone made a stupid decision. They really didn't need this publicity.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
It seems like bad business sense to kick someone off the flight who is as well known and has as much access to the media as Kevin Smith for such a easily resolved reason. I think that someone made a stupid decision. They really didn't need this publicity.
Too true. People with access to media should always be treated better than the rest of us.
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Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
It seems like bad business sense to kick someone off the flight who is as well known and has as much access to the media as Kevin Smith for such a easily resolved reason. I think that someone made a stupid decision. They really didn't need this publicity.
Too true. People with access to media should always be treated better than the rest of us.
It's not a matter of "should" or right or wrong but if I knew someone famous would be pissed off and twitter the public, I'd appease him to avoid the headache.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
It seems like bad business sense to kick someone off the flight who is as well known and has as much access to the media as Kevin Smith for such a easily resolved reason. I think that someone made a stupid decision. They really didn't need this publicity.
Too true. People with access to media should always be treated better than the rest of us.
It's not a matter of "should" or right or wrong but if I knew someone famous would be pissed off and twitter the public, I'd appease him to avoid the headache.
I'd point out the fact that they're using their status to receive preferential treatment.
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Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
It seems like bad business sense to kick someone off the flight who is as well known and has as much access to the media as Kevin Smith for such a easily resolved reason. I think that someone made a stupid decision. They really didn't need this publicity.
Too true. People with access to media should always be treated better than the rest of us.
It's not a matter of "should" or right or wrong but if I knew someone famous would be pissed off and twitter the public, I'd appease him to avoid the headache.
I'd point out the fact that they're using their status to receive preferential treatment.
I'd point out that it's Kevin Smith, and he deserves preferential treatment.
But if it were, say, Michael Moore, I might not feel the same way.
gbaji wrote:
If it's because of *why* he was kicked off, well... It's not like he didn't know he was fat. He wouldn't "normally buy two seats" if he wasn't aware of the issue. The one bit I can see as legitimate is annoyance that clearly whomever made the decision to allow him in the earlier flight had to know how big he was, and did it anyway only to have that decision reversed later. I can absolutely see how that would be irritating and needlessly embarrassing...
I agree; letting him squeeze into the seat (and even getting the belt buckled, which I just heard a clip of on the news) and *then* making him get off is a real **** move.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Something people seem to be overlooking is the size of the seats. How many people actually fit into the tiny airline seats comfortably? While I am a little overweight (5'11" 235), my ***/gut fitting into the seats isn't the problem, it's my shoulders and upper arms. If I'm sitting next to anyone average size or bigger, I have to pull my arms in front of me for the whole ride. While I've never been kicked off a flight or been made to buy a second seat, I have been checked out by the flight crew to make sure the armrests were down and belt was on due to my upper body encroaching on the other seats. My daughters car seat doesn't even fit by their standards.
The problem is how the situation was handled. After listening to his Smodcast, I can see where he's coming from. While his contention is that he can safely fit in a seat with his seatbelt buckled and the armrests down (which would seem to me to be acceptable), the fact is that they basically pulled him off the flight after he was already seated. Not to mention the fact that apparently after he got on the next flight, which was his original one with his two seats, they nearly did the same thing to the lady that had the 3rd seat in his row. Even though he had purchased an extra seat so they had an empty between them, they pulled her off the flight and told her that in the future she would have to buy 2 seats, and that she would have to ask him if it was cool that she took up some of that empty seat.
It seems to me that SWA needs to train their employees on this policy, and more importantly how to handle it with customers. How to deal with it professionally, and more importantly with respect.
Also, I'm of the opinion that the seat spacing is ridiculous anyway. I'm the same size as Raolan, and I too have difficulty fitting in coach. Not that I can't fit in the seat as far as my *** goes, but my shoulders, arms, and legs. They really need to design planes with more comfort in mind for the average person. The average person in this century, not from 200 years ago.
It seems to me that SWA needs to train their employees on this policy, and more importantly how to handle it with customers. How to deal with it professionally, and more importantly with respect.
Also, I'm of the opinion that the seat spacing is ridiculous anyway. I'm the same size as Raolan, and I too have difficulty fitting in coach. Not that I can't fit in the seat as far as my *** goes, but my shoulders, arms, and legs. They really need to design planes with more comfort in mind for the average person. The average person in this century, not from 200 years ago.
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Also, I'm of the opinion that the seat spacing is ridiculous anyway. I'm the same size as Raolan, and I too have difficulty fitting in coach. Not that I can't fit in the seat as far as my *** goes, but my shoulders, arms, and legs. They really need to design planes with more comfort in mind for the average person. The average person in this century, not from 200 years ago.
Are you willing to pay significantly more for this?
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