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She's attractive in the same way Ann Coulter is attractive.
Sweety,
Talk to me about attractive politicians when the Democrats get Pelosi, Neopolitano, and Hitlary out of the spot light. Come to think of it are there any semi-attractive liberal women in office? It's obvious that the ****** nasty b*tches that comprise Democrat politicians are threatened by Palins sex appeal. Are you?
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She's attractive in the same way Ann Coulter is attractive
Talk to me about attractive politicians when the Democrats get Pelosi, Neopolitano, and Hitlary out of the spot light. Come to think of it are there any semi-attractive liberal women in office? It's obvious that the ****** nasty b*tches that comprise Democrat politicians are threatened by Palins sex appeal. Are you?
Sure, I'm intimidated by a middle-aged politician's sex appeal.
Red,
Business owner, Homeowner, College graduate, european traveler, nice car.
If only there were more below average people like myself to give successful people like you a job.
Edited, Feb 9th 2010 12:26pm by publiusvarus
Business owner, Homeowner, College graduate, european traveler, nice car.
If only there were more below average people like myself to give successful people like you a job.
Edited, Feb 9th 2010 12:26pm by publiusvarus
Sweet,
I can see that.
I can see that.
You're really hardly what I would call a business owner.
publiusvarus wrote:
Sweety,
Talk to me about attractive politicians when the Democrats get Pelosi, Neopolitano, and Hitlary out of the spot light. Come to think of it are there any semi-attractive liberal women in office? It's obvious that the ****** nasty b*tches that comprise Democrat politicians are threatened by Palins sex appeal. Are you?
Quote:
She's attractive in the same way Ann Coulter is attractive
Talk to me about attractive politicians when the Democrats get Pelosi, Neopolitano, and Hitlary out of the spot light. Come to think of it are there any semi-attractive liberal women in office? It's obvious that the ****** nasty b*tches that comprise Democrat politicians are threatened by Palins sex appeal. Are you?
You know what's amazing? Sex sells.... in everything but government.
BrownDuck wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
Sweety,
Talk to me about attractive politicians when the Democrats get Pelosi, Neopolitano, and Hitlary out of the spot light. Come to think of it are there any semi-attractive liberal women in office? It's obvious that the ****** nasty b*tches that comprise Democrat politicians are threatened by Palins sex appeal. Are you?
Quote:
She's attractive in the same way Ann Coulter is attractive
Talk to me about attractive politicians when the Democrats get Pelosi, Neopolitano, and Hitlary out of the spot light. Come to think of it are there any semi-attractive liberal women in office? It's obvious that the ****** nasty b*tches that comprise Democrat politicians are threatened by Palins sex appeal. Are you?
You know what's amazing? Sex sells.... in everything but government.
Sweetums wrote:
She's attractive in the same way Ann Coulter is attractive.
Palin looks okay. Although, in the past year, it's obvious that she's going through the same wringer all the national stage politicians go through. Part of it is just age but politics really beats the hell out of people.
Personally, I think Pelosi looks fantastic for a nearly 70 year old woman.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Sweetums wrote:
She's attractive in the same way Ann Coulter is attractive.
Palin looks okay. Although, in the past year, it's obvious that she's going through the same wringer all the national stage politicians go through. Part of it is just age but politics really beats the hell out of people.
Personally, I think Pelosi looks fantastic for a nearly 70 year old woman.
Sweet,
Well that settles it. The business I created isn't in the red and pays the bills along with those of my employees. What are you doing to create new jobs and get this market going again?
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You're really hardly what I would call a business owner.
Well that settles it. The business I created isn't in the red and pays the bills along with those of my employees. What are you doing to create new jobs and get this market going again?
It would be more accurate to say that Allstate is creating jobs.
Sweet,
Not even close. If we weren't selling enough insurance to justify the employees guess what...I wouldn't have them. True the company provides a good product and I have the good fortune to be able to sell for them. But if I was waiting on AS to pay my bills I would have been out of business 5yrs ago.
Incidentally the Obama 5k for small business owners offer is a joke.
Not even close. If we weren't selling enough insurance to justify the employees guess what...I wouldn't have them. True the company provides a good product and I have the good fortune to be able to sell for them. But if I was waiting on AS to pay my bills I would have been out of business 5yrs ago.
Incidentally the Obama 5k for small business owners offer is a joke.
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Talk to me about attractive politicians when the Democrats get Pelosi, Neopolitano, and Hitlary out of the spot light.
It's because we promote our women based on ability, not appearance.
What's interesting is that I don't think Palin herself is mentally deficient or anything. I suspect she has an IQ of around 100, dead on average. What she lacks - and seems to have always lacked - is intellectual curiosity. She's glided through life on her good looks, so she never really had to think. She never had to study, she never had to learn, she never had to express her thoughts in a cogent way. For those women who aren't born with good looks, who had to work their way on up through the ranks, nothing irks us more than the airheaded beauty queen.
When she got her gig with Fox News, my first thought was, "At least this is what she has her degree in." Palin attended 5 colleges to finally graduate with a BA in Journalism. (HCR? Juris Doctorate - Law degree. Napolitano? Juris Doctorate - Law degree. Pelosi? BA in Political science, from one school. She skipped law school when she was offered an internship to a Senator instead.)
Cat,
Would you like to compare the qualifications of W's staff to that of Obama's?
Would you like to compare the qualifications of W's staff to that of Obama's?
Sweetums wrote:
You're really hardly what I would call a business owner.
Or a European traveller!
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
publiusvarus wrote:
Would you like to compare the qualifications of W's staff to that of Obama's?
You mean the luminaries like Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and Brown?
Edited, Feb 9th 2010 12:51pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Actually, that WOULD be a fun exercise to undertake!
First off, a list of who is who so we're comparing apples to apples.
This list, although it was designed to compare the diversity levels of the cabinets, gives a clear contrasts to who is in what position.
My prediction? Parity. You don't get nominated to cabinet positions without some base qualifications. In order to get accepted into the federal internship program, the minimum degree required is a master's degree. My husband was accepted to that program (the Presidential Fellows) but no position in education was immediately available, so he got a job as a professor locally instead. He still wants to go to Washington to work on education policy in the US eventually.
1. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER
Bush (1): Condoleezza Rice. I always said she was Bush's best pick. She has a PhD in Political science, and speaks fluent Russian.
Bush (2): Stephen Hadley. It can be assumed he has a law degree, since he was a partner in a law firm, but the specifics on his degree are not on his wiki page.
Obama: Marine General James L. Jones. BS in Foreign services. His military career is to long to list here. Obama went for military experience over education in this instance.
Bush wins on the education front, Obama wins on the experience front. A tie.
2. WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL
Everyone here needs to have a law degree. So this one is a little bit unnecessary.
Bush: Alberto Gonzales, (JD from Harvard), Harriet Miers (JD from Southern Methodist Uni) and Fred Fielding (JD from University of VA.)
Obama: Greg Craig (JD from Yale.)
A tie.
3. SECERTARY OF STATE
Bush (1): Colin Powell - MBA from George Washington University. Long history of decorated military service. Experience over education here.
Bush (2): Condi Rice. PhD in PoliSci.
Obama: Hillary Clinton - JD from Yale.
A tie.
4. DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY
Bush: Paul O'Neill (MA in Public Administration), John Snow (PhD in Economics) and Henry Paulson (MBA from Harvard.)
Obama: Tim Geithner (MA in International Economics from John Hopkins.)
A tie.
5. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
Bush(1): Donald Rumsfeld (BA from Princeton, some law school but no degree)
Bush(2)Robert Gates (PhD in Soviet History.)
Obama: Kept Robert Gates.
Unscorable since Obama kept the Bush appointee.
6. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE/ATTORNEY GENERAL
Everyone in this position MUST have a law degree.
Bush(1): John Ashcroft (JD from University of Chicago)
Bush(2): Michael Mukasey (LLM - similar to but not the same as JD - from Yale)
Bush(3):Alberto Gonzales
Obama: Eric Holder (JD from Columbia Law)
A tie.
7. DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR
Bush: Gale Norton (JD from University of Denver)
Obama: Ken Salazar (JD from University of Michigan.)
Still lawyers, but both of these are from more modest state universities rather than Ivy Leagues. A tie.
8. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
Bush: Ann Veneman (JD from University of California, Hastings)
Obama: Thomas J. Vilsack (JD from Albany Law School)
Again, still lawyers, but from more modest schools. A tie.
9. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE
Bush: Donald Evans (MBA from UT, Austin), Carlos Gutierrez (BA from Monterrey Tech in Mexico.)
Obama: Gary Locke (LLD from Boston University.)
Obama has the more educated cabinet member, but Locke was his third pick after Judd Gregg (JD from Boston University) and Bill Richardson (MBA). However, based on their degrees, Obama wins this round.
10. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR
Bush: Elaine Chao (MBA from Harvard)
Obama: Hilda Solis (MA in Public Administration.)
A tie.
11. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Bush(1): Tommy G. Thompson (JD from University of Wisconsin)
Bush(2): Mike Leavitt (BA in Economics). He wins Bush's 'worst pick' for essentially ignoring the growing health industry crisis.
Obama: Kathleen Sebelius (Master of Public Administration from University of Kansas)
Averages out to a tie.
12. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
Bush(1): Melquiades Rafael Martinez (JD from Florida State),
Bush(2): Alphonso Jackson (JD from Washington State)
Bush(3): Steven Preston (MBA, University of Chicago)
Obama: Shaun Donovan (Double MAs: Master of Public Administration and Master of Architecture.)
Although Bush had two lawyers in this position, Obama picked someone with two very salient degrees to this particular post. Giving this one to Obama.
13. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
Bush(1): Norman Mineta (MBA, University of California.) Notably, he was Bush's only Democrat cabinet member.
Bush(2): Mary Peters (BA from the *snerk University of Phoenix. Probably not the online version, but you want to talk about a tainted reputation . . .)
Obama: Ray LaHood (BS in Sociology and Education.)
Obama's worst pick. No relevant education or experience here. (Also a Republican. I think this was a secret jab at making bipartisanship look really bad.) I've got my bets on his being the first to be replaced, especially after the recent Toyota debacle (which he exacerbated with some very stupid comments.)
Bush wins.
14. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY
Bush: Former Michigan Sen. Spencer Abraham (JD from Harvard)
Obama: Steven Chu (PhD in Physics from the University of California.) Also won the Nobel Prize in physics in 1997.
Bush picked a politician, Obama picked a scientist. Obama wins this one, and also gets his 'best pick' with this one.
15. DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION
Bush(1): Rod Paige (PhD in Physical Education)
Bush(2): Margaret Spellings (BA in Political Science)
Obama: Arne Duncan (BA in Sociology)
Bush wins this one, although barely, as he lost his PhD person who resigned because he disagreed with Bush's policies.
16. DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN AFFAIRS
Bush(1): Anthony Principi (JD Seton Hall)
Bush(2): Jim Nicholson (JD from University of Denver)
Bush(3): James Peake (M.D. Cornell, 42 year army career)
Obama: Eric Shinseki (MA in English Lit - but also a retired 4-star general)
A tie for this. Both Obama and Bush picked military veterans, which is more important than specific education for this post.
17. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
Bush(1): Tom Ridge (JD **********
Bush(2): Michael Chertoff (JD Harvard)
Obama: Napolitano (JD University of VA)
Tie.
18. CHAIR OF THE COUNCIL OF ECONOMIC ADVISERS
Bush(1): Glenn Hubbard (PhD in Economics)
Bush(2): Harvey Rosen (PhD in Economics)
Bush(3): Ben Bernanke (PhD in Economics)
Obama: Christina Romer (PhD in Economics)
Both Bernanke and Romer have their PhDs from MIT.
Tie.
19. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
Bush: Former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman (BA in Government)
Bush: Michael Leavitt (BA)
Bush: Stephen Johnson (MS in Pathology)
Obama: Lisa Jackson (MS in Chemical Engineering)
Obama wins, as Jackson is the only one with a relevant degree to the position.
I'm going to stop here, because it is as I predicted - more or less parity between the two. The biggest distinction is that an awful lot of Bush's picks were also personal friends (Rice being a distinctive exception), rather than being people well-known for their own merits.
Edited, Feb 9th 2010 4:03pm by catwho
First off, a list of who is who so we're comparing apples to apples.
This list, although it was designed to compare the diversity levels of the cabinets, gives a clear contrasts to who is in what position.
My prediction? Parity. You don't get nominated to cabinet positions without some base qualifications. In order to get accepted into the federal internship program, the minimum degree required is a master's degree. My husband was accepted to that program (the Presidential Fellows) but no position in education was immediately available, so he got a job as a professor locally instead. He still wants to go to Washington to work on education policy in the US eventually.
1. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER
Bush (1): Condoleezza Rice. I always said she was Bush's best pick. She has a PhD in Political science, and speaks fluent Russian.
Bush (2): Stephen Hadley. It can be assumed he has a law degree, since he was a partner in a law firm, but the specifics on his degree are not on his wiki page.
Obama: Marine General James L. Jones. BS in Foreign services. His military career is to long to list here. Obama went for military experience over education in this instance.
Bush wins on the education front, Obama wins on the experience front. A tie.
2. WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL
Everyone here needs to have a law degree. So this one is a little bit unnecessary.
Bush: Alberto Gonzales, (JD from Harvard), Harriet Miers (JD from Southern Methodist Uni) and Fred Fielding (JD from University of VA.)
Obama: Greg Craig (JD from Yale.)
A tie.
3. SECERTARY OF STATE
Bush (1): Colin Powell - MBA from George Washington University. Long history of decorated military service. Experience over education here.
Bush (2): Condi Rice. PhD in PoliSci.
Obama: Hillary Clinton - JD from Yale.
A tie.
4. DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY
Bush: Paul O'Neill (MA in Public Administration), John Snow (PhD in Economics) and Henry Paulson (MBA from Harvard.)
Obama: Tim Geithner (MA in International Economics from John Hopkins.)
A tie.
5. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
Bush(1): Donald Rumsfeld (BA from Princeton, some law school but no degree)
Bush(2)Robert Gates (PhD in Soviet History.)
Obama: Kept Robert Gates.
Unscorable since Obama kept the Bush appointee.
6. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE/ATTORNEY GENERAL
Everyone in this position MUST have a law degree.
Bush(1): John Ashcroft (JD from University of Chicago)
Bush(2): Michael Mukasey (LLM - similar to but not the same as JD - from Yale)
Bush(3):Alberto Gonzales
Obama: Eric Holder (JD from Columbia Law)
A tie.
7. DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR
Bush: Gale Norton (JD from University of Denver)
Obama: Ken Salazar (JD from University of Michigan.)
Still lawyers, but both of these are from more modest state universities rather than Ivy Leagues. A tie.
8. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
Bush: Ann Veneman (JD from University of California, Hastings)
Obama: Thomas J. Vilsack (JD from Albany Law School)
Again, still lawyers, but from more modest schools. A tie.
9. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE
Bush: Donald Evans (MBA from UT, Austin), Carlos Gutierrez (BA from Monterrey Tech in Mexico.)
Obama: Gary Locke (LLD from Boston University.)
Obama has the more educated cabinet member, but Locke was his third pick after Judd Gregg (JD from Boston University) and Bill Richardson (MBA). However, based on their degrees, Obama wins this round.
10. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR
Bush: Elaine Chao (MBA from Harvard)
Obama: Hilda Solis (MA in Public Administration.)
A tie.
11. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Bush(1): Tommy G. Thompson (JD from University of Wisconsin)
Bush(2): Mike Leavitt (BA in Economics). He wins Bush's 'worst pick' for essentially ignoring the growing health industry crisis.
Obama: Kathleen Sebelius (Master of Public Administration from University of Kansas)
Averages out to a tie.
12. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
Bush(1): Melquiades Rafael Martinez (JD from Florida State),
Bush(2): Alphonso Jackson (JD from Washington State)
Bush(3): Steven Preston (MBA, University of Chicago)
Obama: Shaun Donovan (Double MAs: Master of Public Administration and Master of Architecture.)
Although Bush had two lawyers in this position, Obama picked someone with two very salient degrees to this particular post. Giving this one to Obama.
13. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
Bush(1): Norman Mineta (MBA, University of California.) Notably, he was Bush's only Democrat cabinet member.
Bush(2): Mary Peters (BA from the *snerk University of Phoenix. Probably not the online version, but you want to talk about a tainted reputation . . .)
Obama: Ray LaHood (BS in Sociology and Education.)
Obama's worst pick. No relevant education or experience here. (Also a Republican. I think this was a secret jab at making bipartisanship look really bad.) I've got my bets on his being the first to be replaced, especially after the recent Toyota debacle (which he exacerbated with some very stupid comments.)
Bush wins.
14. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY
Bush: Former Michigan Sen. Spencer Abraham (JD from Harvard)
Obama: Steven Chu (PhD in Physics from the University of California.) Also won the Nobel Prize in physics in 1997.
Bush picked a politician, Obama picked a scientist. Obama wins this one, and also gets his 'best pick' with this one.
15. DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION
Bush(1): Rod Paige (PhD in Physical Education)
Bush(2): Margaret Spellings (BA in Political Science)
Obama: Arne Duncan (BA in Sociology)
Bush wins this one, although barely, as he lost his PhD person who resigned because he disagreed with Bush's policies.
16. DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN AFFAIRS
Bush(1): Anthony Principi (JD Seton Hall)
Bush(2): Jim Nicholson (JD from University of Denver)
Bush(3): James Peake (M.D. Cornell, 42 year army career)
Obama: Eric Shinseki (MA in English Lit - but also a retired 4-star general)
A tie for this. Both Obama and Bush picked military veterans, which is more important than specific education for this post.
17. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
Bush(1): Tom Ridge (JD **********
Bush(2): Michael Chertoff (JD Harvard)
Obama: Napolitano (JD University of VA)
Tie.
18. CHAIR OF THE COUNCIL OF ECONOMIC ADVISERS
Bush(1): Glenn Hubbard (PhD in Economics)
Bush(2): Harvey Rosen (PhD in Economics)
Bush(3): Ben Bernanke (PhD in Economics)
Obama: Christina Romer (PhD in Economics)
Both Bernanke and Romer have their PhDs from MIT.
Tie.
19. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
Bush: Former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman (BA in Government)
Bush: Michael Leavitt (BA)
Bush: Stephen Johnson (MS in Pathology)
Obama: Lisa Jackson (MS in Chemical Engineering)
Obama wins, as Jackson is the only one with a relevant degree to the position.
I'm going to stop here, because it is as I predicted - more or less parity between the two. The biggest distinction is that an awful lot of Bush's picks were also personal friends (Rice being a distinctive exception), rather than being people well-known for their own merits.
Edited, Feb 9th 2010 4:03pm by catwho
Quote:
I'm going to stop here, because it is as I predicted - more or less parity between the two. The biggest distinction is that an awful lot of Bush's picks were also personal friends (Rice being a distinctive exception), rather than being people well-known for their own merits.
Very scientific.
Sebelius was sort of a baffling choice. I know she wasn't his first (or second) choice but she really brought nothing to the table and removed her from a popular governorship.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
catwho wrote:
A7. DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR
Bush: Gale Norton (JD from University of Denver)
Obama: Ken Salazar (JD from University of Michigan.)
Still lawyers, but both of these are from more modest state universities rather than Ivy Leagues. A tie.
Bush: Gale Norton (JD from University of Denver)
Obama: Ken Salazar (JD from University of Michigan.)
Still lawyers, but both of these are from more modest state universities rather than Ivy Leagues. A tie.
The University Of Michigan is a much higher tier law school, as in the number one law school for the last decade. Just FYI. Not to say Gale wasn't a good lawyer, but Ken went to Michigan. The odds of him being just better are pretty good.
I'm giving this to Obama.
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12. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
Bush(1): Melquiades Rafael Martinez (JD from Florida State),
Bush(2): Alphonso Jackson (JD from Washington State)
Bush(3): Steven Preston (MBA, University of Chicago)
Obama: Shaun Donovan (Double MAs: Master of Public Administration and Master of Architecture.)
Although Bush had two lawyers in this position, Obama picked someone with two very salient degrees to this particular post. Giving this one to Obama.
Bush(1): Melquiades Rafael Martinez (JD from Florida State),
Bush(2): Alphonso Jackson (JD from Washington State)
Bush(3): Steven Preston (MBA, University of Chicago)
Obama: Shaun Donovan (Double MAs: Master of Public Administration and Master of Architecture.)
Although Bush had two lawyers in this position, Obama picked someone with two very salient degrees to this particular post. Giving this one to Obama.
I can't say I agree with this, considering the Department of Housing can be filled with a lawyer, quite well, considering every lawyer is required to study Property Law, and anything a lawyer wouldn't know about HUD, he could easily research. I'm not saying Bush had better or worse picks here, it's just that HUD is an incredibly complex agency. Don't dismiss the JD holders.
I'm calling this one a tie actually.
Doesn't change the overall outcome at all, though (from one tie and one Obama to... one tie and one Obama), so, just like this post, your post contributed nothing to the thread.
Which, still, is more than either of us could say about Varus's "contributions" to the thread.
Which, still, is more than either of us could say about Varus's "contributions" to the thread.
At least we understand each other.
Really, it was just a chance to nitpick on catwho.
Really, it was just a chance to nitpick on catwho.
Who did a sterling job of unexpectedly carting a page full of facts into the Asylum.
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Who did a sterling job of unexpectedly carting a page full of facts into the Asylum.
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