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#77 Feb 08 2010 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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In the context of a presidential run?

No, in context of US politics as a whole. I'm not asking exclusively about the 2012 election no matter how hard you want to drive the question there because it'll be easier to answer.


There has to be context Joph. Unless you're going to define in absolute terms what "show pony" means. Was she a "show pony" when she was mayor? Was she a "show pony" when she was governor? The people of Alaska apparently didn't think so. She did a very good job in both of those positions (sans later decision to resign obviously).

Does a show pony run on a platform of cleaning up corruption? Does she attack her own party on that issue? I'm just curious what you think that term means here?

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Do you really think he was/is qualified to be president?

Absolutely.


Hence the irony. It's about "sides" for you. Obama has no more experience or qualifications to be president than Palin does. Yet, while I'll acknowledge this freely, you steadfastly refuse to do so when it comes to Obama. Why? Because he's on your "side"?

Obama had never held an executive position before. He had less total years in elected position. By what measurement is he more qualified than Palin?


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That was pathetically ham-handed even for you but I've defended my views and reasoning regarding Obama's qualifications numerous times during the last campaign season so don't see any reason to rehash them again. I'm secure in my answer.


Nah. I seem to recall that the last time I pointed out that Palin actually had more total experience in politics and more experience in executive positions in politics than he did, you just kinda feel back on a generic "but he's smarter!!!" position.
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#78 Feb 08 2010 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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In the context of now Gbaji. Work on comprehension imo. That was a smooth strawman you laid out though.

Edited, Feb 8th 2010 4:01pm by Xsarus
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#79 Feb 08 2010 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
Nah. I seem to recall that the last time I pointed out that Palin actually had more total experience in politics and more experience in executive positions in politics than he did, you just kinda feel back on a generic "but he's smarter!!!" position.


But... he is.

Do you disagree with that?

Oh, wait, stupid question, my mistake.
#80 Feb 08 2010 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
There has to be context Joph.

Hahahaha... the lengths you go to to avoid answering things Smiley: laugh

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Hence the irony. It's about "sides" for you. Obama has no more experience or qualifications to be president than Palin does.

I disagreed with this previously and still do. Again, this has been discussed before.

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Nah. I seem to recall...

You know all those fun times where you say "I remember this" and then I spent twenty seconds finding the thread and showing everyone how wrong you were?

This time let's play another game. You find the thread where I fell back on "He's smarter!" as his sole qualification over Ms. Palin's and I'll admit that I'm wrong, ok?
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#81 Feb 08 2010 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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But... he is.

Do you disagree with that?

Oh, wait, stupid question, my mistake.

Dan Quayle is a virtual leper for reading a card that had a misspelled word.

The President can't pronounce the word corpsman written on his teleprompter.

He's pretty smart, that one.

Why the contention that he's so smart? Is it his degree? Hell, Smash brags about his and he's a gaping dumbass on a lot of things. Is it the things he says? He sure hasn't said anything that bright that I can recall. Picked the Colts and the professor.
#82 Feb 08 2010 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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Dan Quayle is a virtual leper for reading a card that had a misspelled word.


Haha, no. There were pages of Quayle-isms.

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#83 Feb 08 2010 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Haha, no. There were pages of Quayle-isms.

I know. I have them. Still, it all, generally, comes back to one simple gaff:

p-o-t-a-t-o-e
#84 Feb 08 2010 at 4:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Haha, no. There were pages of Quayle-isms.

I know. I have them. Still, it all, generally, comes back to one simple gaff:

p-o-t-a-t-o-e


Well, that was a gaffe because he corrected a school child who had spelled it right.

It certainly wasn't my favorite.
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#85 Feb 08 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I know. I have them. Still, it all, generally, comes back to one simple gaff:

p-o-t-a-t-o-e


Potato is the leading example of a veritable novel of stupidity. Palin is penning the sequel, one hand note at a time.
#86 Feb 08 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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But... he is.

Do you disagree with that?

Oh, wait, stupid question, my mistake.

Dan Quayle is a virtual leper for reading a card that had a misspelled word.

The President can't pronounce the word corpsman written on his teleprompter.

He's pretty smart, that one.

Why the contention that he's so smart? Is it his degree? Hell, Smash brags about his and he's a gaping dumbass on a lot of things. Is it the things he says? He sure hasn't said anything that bright that I can recall. Picked the Colts and the professor.


Whether you agree that he is generally smart or not, you've got to admit he's at least smarter than Palin.

Which was my point.
#87 Feb 08 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
I don't disagree, but I've never seen any of the others on a t-shirt. Didn't you know that if it's not on a t-shirt it doesn't matter?
#88 Feb 08 2010 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
By what measurement is he more qualified than Palin?


Let's start with education and go from there, mmmkay? I'm just gonna go ahead and quote wikipedia here because the information is pretty common knowledge at this point.

Palin

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She attended Hawaii Pacific University in the fall of 1982 and North Idaho College in the spring and fall of 1983.[22] (In June 2008, the Alumni Association of North Idaho College gave her its Distinguished Alumni Achievement Award).[23] In 1984, after winning the Miss Wasilla pageant,[24][25] she finished third in the Miss Alaska pageant,[26] [27] receiving the Miss Congeniality award and a college scholarship.[19]

She attended the University of Idaho in the fall of 1984 and spring of 1985, and attended Matanuska-Susitna College in the fall of 1985. She returned to the University of Idaho in the spring of 1986, receiving her bachelor's degree in communications with an emphasis in journalism from there in 1987.[5][22][28][29]

After graduating, she worked as a sportscaster[30] for KTUU-TV and KTVA-TV in Anchorage,[31] and as a sports reporter for the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman,[32][33] fulfilling an early ambition.[34]


Palin changed schools 5 times before finally getting a bachelors degree in... journalism? Prior to winning a local mayoral election, her only real employment history is that of a sportscaster for a local TV station? Awesome.


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Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles in 1979 to attend Occidental College.[24] After two years he transferred in 1981 to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations[25] and graduated with a B.A. in 1983. He worked for a year at the Business International Corporation,[26][27] then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[28][29]

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In late 1988, Obama entered Harvard Law School. He was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review at the end of his first year,[35] and president of the journal in his second year.[36] During his summers, he returned to Chicago, where he worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[37] After graduating with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna *** laude[38] from Harvard in 1991, he returned to Chicago.[35] Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review gained national media attention[36] and led to a publishing contract and advance for a book about race relations,[39] which evolved into a personal memoir. The manuscript was published in mid-1995 as Dreams from My Father.[39]

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In 1991, Obama accepted a two-year position as Visiting Law and Government Fellow at the University of Chicago Law School to work on his first book.[40] He then served as a professor at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years; as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004 teaching constitutional law.[41]



So, Obama attended a junior college for two years, then transferred to Columbia University where he graduated with a B.A., majoring in political science and specializing in international relations. Not content to stop there, he attended Harvard Law School 5 years later, was elected president of the Harvard Law Review in only his second year, and graduated with a doctorate in professional law. He went on to serve as a university law professor for 12 years. During that time, he served as a state senator for 8 years before becoming a U.S. senator and serving that position for 3 years before promptly handing McCain his *** on a silver platter.

Yeah, they're "equally" qualified, Gbaji. Keep telling yourself that.
#89 Feb 08 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Whether you agree that he is generally smart or not, you've got to admit he's at least smarter than Palin.

I am not enamored with either of them, quite frankly. I doubt seriously that he's nearly as smart as people give him credit and I don't think she's a bumbling idiot. I think he's smooth and articulate and she's cultivating the home-spun thing.

I think they're both unqualified to hold the office he has, and he benefited from "we needs a brotha in the white house" more than anything else.
#90 Feb 08 2010 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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I think they're both unqualified to hold the office he has, and he benefited from "we needs a brotha in the white house" more than anything else.


I suspect after the last 8 years, being smarter than a crayon was enough.
#91 Feb 08 2010 at 4:25 PM Rating: Default
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I'm just gonna go ahead and quote wikipedia here

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Yeah, they're "equally" qualified, Gbaji. Keep telling yourself that.

Just out of curiosity, what in his curriculum vitae gives you the idea that he's qualified to run a country? I don't see any evidence of him having "run" anything else in his life.
#92 Feb 08 2010 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I suspect after the last 8 years, being smarter than a crayon was enough.

Nah, in that case McCain could easily have won.
#93 Feb 08 2010 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Nah, in that case McCain could easily have won.


We don't elect mummies.
#94 Feb 08 2010 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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We don't elect mummies.

True, Gore lost.
#95 Feb 08 2010 at 4:36 PM Rating: Decent
http://usconservatives.about.com/od/conservativesobama/tp/ObamaGaffes.htm

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In response to a question asking what he learned from European leaders, Obama responds, "It was ... interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian -- wheeling and dealing ... "


Does inventing languages count as stupidity?


How about not knowing how to pronounce corpsman...Of course that is a military term so I can understand why a rabid liberal wouldn't know how to properly pronounce it.



#96 Feb 08 2010 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
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They speak Austrian German in Austria, so I'm sure it's fine to shorten it to that. German is definitely one of those languages that changes a lot based on where you are, and people generally make a distinction as to what form of German they are referring to.
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#97 Feb 08 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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How about not knowing how to pronounce corpsman.
You talking about this guy?
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#98 Feb 08 2010 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
They speak Austrian German in Austria, so I'm sure it's fine to shorten it to that. German is definitely one of those languages that changes a lot based on where you are, and people generally make a distinction as to what form of German they are referring to.
This.
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#99 Feb 08 2010 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
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I'm just gonna go ahead and quote wikipedia here

phail.
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Yeah, they're "equally" qualified, Gbaji. Keep telling yourself that.

Just out of curiosity, what in his curriculum vitae gives you the idea that he's qualified to run a country? I don't see any evidence of him having "run" anything else in his life.


Other presidents who never "ran" anything in their life before becoming president:

John F. Kennedy
Harry Truman
Abraham Lincoln
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Really wanna use that as a qualification now?
#100 Feb 08 2010 at 5:58 PM Rating: Decent
Actually, I think being the editor for the Harvard Law Review counts as "running it" to some extent.
#101 Feb 08 2010 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, I think being the editor president for the Harvard Law Review counts as "running it" to some extent.


FTFY. Also, he's been on the bored of directors or was the primary director of several local and regional endeavors.
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