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#1 Feb 07 2010 at 5:21 AM Rating: Good
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Is solar power a bright investment?

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Is solar power a bright investment?

It costs £12,500 to install solar cells on your roof, but new tariffs should give you a return of at least £25,000. So what's the catch? There isn't one, says Miles Brignall


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If the government offered to pay you £1,000 a year for the next 25 years, in return for an up-front investment of £12,500, you'd snap it up in a second. Well, that's pretty much the deal on offer this week after the government finally revealed what it will pay those who install electricity generating solar panels – in and around their homes – through the new "Feed-in Tariffs" (FITs).

After years of campaigning by environmental groups – helped in small part by this newspaper – the government has finally agreed to reward households and businesses installing electricity-generating measures with enough of a return to make it a serious financial, as well as an environmental, investment. If you've got the money (which is a big "if") and, crucially, a sunny, south-facing roof, you can earn a 7%-10% tax-free return, an income that will rise in line with inflation. At the same time, you get to do more than your fair share in reducing the UK's carbon emissions.

In the week that the energy regulator, Ofgem, warned the nation to expect 20% electricity price hikes by 2020, and warned future supplies were in jeopardy, investors in solar panels will have the added benefit of being a net provider of electricity, and largely insulated from future price hikes that could see household bills top £2,000 a year by 2020.


I would invest in solar power in a heartbeat but sadly I own a flat and cannot just place solar panels on a shared roof Smiley: bah I'll be considering it when I move in the next few years. My only concern is how it would look on a roof.

What irks me, is that the article seems to think that £12,500 is a lot of money. But is it? How many people remortgage to build a conservatory or take out a loan for a new kitchen or update their bathroom. How much is a new car? If you have your priorities in order then £12,500 should be relatively easy to find by comparison. Especially as you gain the money back over time (unlike a kitchen, car, conservatory, expensive holiday etc).

Is anyone from this board considering or using solar power?

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I fitted solar photovoltaic panels on my house nearly three years ago. They are great – we get 90% of our electricity off our own roof over the course of the year. And three years ago the panels were more expensive than they are now.

We spent £17,000 but got half of that back in a grant from the Low Carbon Buildings Programme, which was dogged by complexity and stop-go Âdecisions by the government.
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#3 Feb 07 2010 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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We wouldn't consider it unless we lived in a house that we were sure to stay in for a long while. I have some neighbors with solar panels. I wouldn't call them unsightly per se, but they sure don't add anything to the aesthetic value of the home either.

I'm sure the electricity savings are nice though.
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#4 Feb 07 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Default
solar power only works in the daytime, 100% true
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Lady GwynapNud wrote:
I would invest in solar power in a heartbeat but sadly I own a flat and cannot just place solar panels on a shared roof Smiley: bah I'll be considering it when I move in the next few years. My only concern is how it would look on a roof.

What irks me, is that the article seems to think that £12,500 is a lot of money. But is it? How many people remortgage to build a conservatory or take out a loan for a new kitchen or update their bathroom. How much is a new car? If you have your priorities in order then £12,500 should be relatively easy to find by comparison. Especially as you gain the money back over time (unlike a kitchen, car, conservatory, expensive holiday etc).

Is anyone from this board considering or using solar power?

Is it wise to invest in solar power in a country that is popularly believed to be gray and cloudy 90% of the time?

My mother's house would probably benefit from solar panels. The entire roof is one slope facing southeast; the panels could be put on a slight angle.
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Lady GwynapNud wrote:
I would invest in solar power in a heartbeat but sadly I own a flat and cannot just place solar panels on a shared roof Smiley: bah I'll be considering it when I move in the next few years. My only concern is how it would look on a roof.

What irks me, is that the article seems to think that £12,500 is a lot of money. But is it? How many people remortgage to build a conservatory or take out a loan for a new kitchen or update their bathroom. How much is a new car? If you have your priorities in order then £12,500 should be relatively easy to find by comparison. Especially as you gain the money back over time (unlike a kitchen, car, conservatory, expensive holiday etc).

Is anyone from this board considering or using solar power?

Is it wise to invest in solar power in a country that is popularly believed to be gray and cloudy 90% of the time?

My mother's house would probably benefit from solar panels. The entire roof is one slope facing southeast; the panels could be put on a slight angle.


Panels still produce electricity on a cloudy day. Some parts of the UK have an ideal quota of sunshine, even in the winter Smiley: tongue
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My roof is buried in snow for half the year... I don't think I'd want to have to go up there and clean it year round.

I have thought about wind power though.
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#8 Feb 07 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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There is a $25,000 solar power garunteed loan program in clark county, WA. You still have to repay it, but its a very low interest rate, only caveat being you have to use it for solar power or solar water or wind power installation.

I plan on drastically reducing the costs by doing much of the preperation work myself. A good quality grid tie in solar inverter with storage battery capability starts at about $2,000. Running the electrical and water lines from the machine area in the garage up to the roof (but not tying them into anything) would be really easy to do while i'm networking the upstairs rooms. For solar water, i'd have to replace my water heater with one that has a transfer coil inside, that probably will run about $1,000.

The solar panels themselves for a 150 watt unit run about $200 at the moment, which is much higher than they were about 3 months ago. Guess everyone is buying them with their houseing tax credit. I'd likely install in stages, get an inverter big enough to handle a full roof load of panels, but install 3 or 4 to start with provision for more later.

Solar water, I'd go with the relitivly recent vaccume flask roof solar tubes. They use an antifreze type liquid for the heat transfer. but the exposed portion on the roof is inside an argon filled tube with a parabolic mirror coating on the back. Any sun at all, regardless of weather conditions will heat the fluid in the core of the vaccume flask. Given the cost of natural gas compared to our relitivly low cost of electricity around here thouse would make economic sense to install first.

I get enough wind going through my area now that a wind turbine might also be benificial, but placement would be tricky, and the neighbors might not take to it.

As soon as the car is payed off, I'll probably start the project. The U.S. tax credits for solar installation are not nearly as generous.
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#9 Feb 07 2010 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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solar power only works in the daytime, 100% true
Holy ****, maybe there's some way to store energy! We need to get our scientists working on that.
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We got solar panels to heat our water installed about 5 years ago.

For about 8 months of the year, all our hot water is heated without any electricity whatsoever. For the rest of the year we use about 15% of the electricity we used to use.

Considering that the largest part of a households electricity use is for heating water I consider it a fine investment.

It was about NZ$15,000 all up including a massive new tank, all the plumbing, thermostats and control units to supply 3 bathrooms, a kitchen and a laundry, and being able to fill up a bath or take stupidly long showers without spending any moey is great.

And yes it does work on cloudy days. Just not as efficiently.
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
My roof is buried in snow for half the year... I don't think I'd want to have to go up there and clean it year round.
Yeah, this. The winters here are kind of harsh. I'm not sure this would work.
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I am planning on building a large garage in a year or two. It will be in the side of a hill so the back of it, the roof will only be about 6-7 feet off the ground. Making it easier to remove the snow from that roof. I might end up thinking about putting some solar panels on that one to provide heat to the garage.

Since it's not a living area, it won't need to be warm, just warm enough to stop the inside from freezing.

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If I owned a home, I'd install solar power, government incentives or no. Brownout happens? I'd still be able to run my A/C during the day. That's incentive enough.

Edited, Feb 7th 2010 1:25pm by Poldaran
#15 Feb 07 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Default
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We need to get our scientists working on that.


better still: lunar power!
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santapanta wrote:

better still: lunar power!


Ummm. That would be known as wave/tidal power generation smartypants. Research into that is currently going quite well.
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#17 Feb 07 2010 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
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santapanta wrote:

better still: lunar power!


Ummm. That would be known as wave/tidal power generation smartypants. Research into that is currently going quite well.
If he's referring to the light, it would be solar power Smiley: lol
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i have been trying to convince the wife to invest in solar panels on our home. she balks at the initial price tag (roughly 45k before the tax breaks) but i'm still working on her. especially since one of our electrical bills this past summer was over 600$. this next summer will be the true test. If we get more of those huge bills then she will have to realize that it would be cheaper in the long run to invest in solar.
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This is one of the best things I can think of for the world. How often is it sunny out? How many houses have roofs?

If we add solar panels to the roofs of houses, then how much energy would we be able to obtain, freely, safely, without damaging the enviroment?

On top of that, water heated by the sunlight is also a very good investment. I honestly don't care what the vanity effect has on people, when you are essentially getting energy for free, heating water for free, and also reducing that pollution which is so popular these days, you're doing a fine job!
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This is one of the best things I can think of for the world. How often is it sunny out? How many houses have roofs?

If we add solar panels to the roofs of houses, then how much energy would we be able to obtain, freely, safely, without damaging the enviroment?
As much as I think solar power is a good idea, it does damage the environment. Those solar panels aren't made of kittens.
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This is one of the best things I can think of for the world. How often is it sunny out? How many houses have roofs?

If we add solar panels to the roofs of houses, then how much energy would we be able to obtain, freely, safely, without damaging the enviroment?
As much as I think solar power is a good idea, it does damage the environment. Those solar panels aren't made of kittens.


We'll need to find a way to make them out of kittens then. Just think about how many animals get needlessly put down because there's no use for them!
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Sweetums wrote:
Those solar panels aren't made of kittens.


They aren't... yet.

Environmentally friendly and they will help control the pet population. No need to spend money getting all those strays fixed. Turn them into a renewable energy source. Coming soon to a Animal Shelter near you.


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beaten to it Smiley: frown

Edited, Feb 7th 2010 5:53pm by TirithRR
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Sweetums wrote:
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This is one of the best things I can think of for the world. How often is it sunny out? How many houses have roofs?

If we add solar panels to the roofs of houses, then how much energy would we be able to obtain, freely, safely, without damaging the enviroment?
As much as I think solar power is a good idea, it does damage the environment. Those solar panels aren't made of kittens.


The carbon footprint of manufacture is offset by the savings made over time with solar panels.
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Environmentally friendly and they will help control the pet population. No need to spend money getting all those strays fixed. Turn them into a renewable energy source. Coming soon to a Animal Shelter near you.


It's called a furnace.
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#25 Feb 07 2010 at 5:16 PM Rating: Good
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Lady GwynapNud wrote:
Sweetums wrote:
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This is one of the best things I can think of for the world. How often is it sunny out? How many houses have roofs?

If we add solar panels to the roofs of houses, then how much energy would we be able to obtain, freely, safely, without damaging the enviroment?
As much as I think solar power is a good idea, it does damage the environment. Those solar panels aren't made of kittens.


The carbon footprint of manufacture is offset by the savings made over time with solar panels.
It's not just in terms of carbon manufacture, some types of solar cell use heavy metals. It's superior to fossil fuels, but to say that it causes no environmental damage is inaccurate.
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Eh, ***** the environment. I just want it to save me money. I'm not under any illusions about the greenness of manufacture here.
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