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#1 Feb 04 2010 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
There's just no other way to describe it. It's a hissy fit.

Also here.

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WASHINGTON -- Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Tuscaloosa, is blocking Senate action on executive branch nominations, a spokeswoman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said this afternoon in an e-mail.

In response to a question from the Press-Register, Reid spokeswoman Regan Lachapelle confirmed that Shelby has placed a "blanket hold" on most pending nominations.

By placing a hold, a single senator can stop the Senate from voting on a particular nomination, often as a way of gaining leverage on an unrelated issue. It is not clear when Shelby placed the hold or how many nominees are affected. While individual holds are not unusual, Gary Jacobson, a congressional expert at the University of California at San Diego, said he knew of no previous use of a blanket hold.

Shelby spokesman Jonathan Graffeo did not immediately respond to phone and e-mail messages seeking confirmation of the senator's action or his reason for doing so.

Holds can be overcome, but it takes 60 votes in the 100-member Senate. While tradition-bound senators are typically reluctant to take that step, they did so Thursday in voting to confirm nominees to the Labor Department and the General Services Administration.


So basically, because Obama cut out his earmarked projects (wtf I thought Republicans were against earmarks?) from the 2010 budget, he responded by putting an apparently never-before-used "blanket hold" on all of Obama's nominees in retaliation.

I know the Republican fanboys are the board are going to defend him for "standing up to Obama" . . . but over EARMARKS?

Edited, Feb 4th 2010 10:49pm by catwho
#2 Feb 04 2010 at 10:52 PM Rating: Default
It has nothing to do with Obama or his nominees. Why would anyone claim that it's "standing up" to him?

So he placed a hold on 70 different nominees? Would you rather he have done it individually, or do you think maybe it saved everyone a little time by doing it all at once?

At least he's not talking about using reconciliation to f'uck the country in to a horse sh;t health care overhaul.
#3 Feb 04 2010 at 10:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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(wtf I thought Republicans were against earmarks?)

Everybody is against earmarks. Just not their own.
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#4 Feb 04 2010 at 11:44 PM Rating: Good
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It has nothing to do with Obama or his nominees. Why would anyone claim that it's "standing up" to him?

So he placed a hold on 70 different nominees? Would you rather he have done it individually, or do you think maybe it saved everyone a little time by doing it all at once?

At least he's not talking about using reconciliation to f'uck the country in to a horse sh;t health care overhaul.
Wait, so the fact that he's throwing a wrench into all pending nominations, even the ones that might benefit his party is saving time? It's actually the opposite of that.
#5 Feb 04 2010 at 11:53 PM Rating: Excellent
From the TPM account of events:

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(Projects canned for 2010 due budget/other reasons):

- A $40 billion contract to build air-to-air refueling tankers. From the report: "Northrop/EADS team would build the planes in Mobile, Ala., but has threatened to pull out of the competition unless the Air Force makes changes to a draft request for proposals."

- An improvised explosive device testing lab for the FBI. From CongressDaily: "[Shelby] is frustrated that the Obama administration won't build" the center, which Shelby earmarked $45 million for in 2008. The center is due to be based "at the Army's Redstone **************

Though a Shelby spokesperson would not confirm that these programs were behind the blanket hold, the Senator expressed his frustration about the progress on both through a spokesperson earlier in the day, the magazine reports.


Yeah, he's throwing a hissy fit because 2 projects he had earmarked for Alabama weren't going through as fast as he thought they should. Two earmarked projects, no less. John McCain campaigned against earmarks, and hey look, Obama agreed that they should be reviewed before going ahead. These earmarked projects are under review for a reason. Do we really need to spend that money? Maybe, maybe not.
#6 Feb 05 2010 at 12:00 AM Rating: Default
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Wait, so the fact that he's throwing a wrench into all pending nominations, even the ones that might benefit his party is saving time? It's actually the opposite of that.

'Cuz there's only one way to look at things. You should try out to be a replacement host on Hannity's show. The rhetorical constructs are almost a perfect match.
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Yeah, he's throwing a hissy fit because 2 projects he had earmarked for Alabama weren't going through as fast as he thought they should. Two earmarked projects, no less. John McCain campaigned against earmarks, and hey look, Obama agreed that they should be reviewed before going ahead. These earmarked projects are under review for a reason. Do we really need to spend that money? Maybe, maybe not.

You should try actually reading something before you cut and paste it. The air to air contract is a competitive design project that is now in at least its second RFP, the first having been retracted because Airbus was the major supplier.

Of course, if you have an agenda, why worry about little things like facts.
#7 Feb 05 2010 at 12:01 AM Rating: Default
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Wait, so the fact that he's throwing a wrench into all pending nominations, even the ones that might benefit his party is saving time? It's actually the opposite of that.

'Cuz there's only one way to look at things. You should try out to be a replacement host on Hannity's show. The rhetorical constructs are almost a perfect match.
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Yeah, he's throwing a hissy fit because 2 projects he had earmarked for Alabama weren't going through as fast as he thought they should. Two earmarked projects, no less. John McCain campaigned against earmarks, and hey look, Obama agreed that they should be reviewed before going ahead. These earmarked projects are under review for a reason. Do we really need to spend that money? Maybe, maybe not.

You should try actually reading something before you cut and paste it. The air to air contract is a competitive design project that is now in at least its second RFP, the first having been retracted because Airbus was the major supplier.

Of course, if you have an agenda, why worry about little things like facts.
#8 Feb 05 2010 at 12:47 AM Rating: Good
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#9REDACTED, Posted: Feb 05 2010 at 1:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You'll forgive me, you're new here. Yours is?
#10 Feb 05 2010 at 1:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Obama already addressed this last Friday. Only the spending outside of a congressman's district or state is inappropriate.
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#11 Feb 05 2010 at 1:20 AM Rating: Default
So, as much as you can get as far as pork for home, but outside the district is a bit beyond the pale, eh?
#12 Feb 05 2010 at 1:38 AM Rating: Decent
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So, as much as you can get as far as pork for home, but outside the district is a bit beyond the pale, eh?
Right, now you're thinking like a Republican!
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#13 Feb 05 2010 at 1:38 AM Rating: Good
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You'll forgive me
Why would he want to show weakness?
#14 Feb 05 2010 at 1:46 AM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
Obama already addressed this last Friday. Only the spending outside of a congressman's district or state is inappropriate.
Found that.
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#15REDACTED, Posted: Feb 05 2010 at 2:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why stop now? Besides, it wasn't a request.
#16 Feb 05 2010 at 5:46 AM Rating: Good
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You'll forgive me, you're new here. Yours is?
He's Canadian. Ours is equally fucked up, just in different ways. Our Senate is pretty much redundant and obsolete. However, if you get selected (not elected) to serve in the Senate, it's a lifetime position.
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#17 Feb 05 2010 at 6:12 AM Rating: Good
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'Cuz there's only one way to look at things. You should try out to be a replacement host on Hannity's show. The rhetorical constructs are almost a perfect match.
Not to mention I'm much better looking. So you're behind this? You think it's sound policy-making?

MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
So, as much as you can get as far as pork for home, but outside the district is a bit beyond the pale, eh?
You must have been gone a while if you don't recognize sarcasm. He admonished both sides for their earmarks and pointed out that any congressman will say spending is wasteful when it's outside his district, but somehow, any spending done in his district is somehow necessary and can't be compromised.
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Edited, Feb 5th 2010 6:20am by Atomicflea
#18 Feb 05 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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Not to mention I'm much better looking. So you're behind this? You think it's sound policy-making?

I'd buy premium to watch the web cam.
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You must have been gone a while if you don't recognize sarcasm. He admonished both sides for their earmarks and pointed out that any congressman will say spending is wasteful when it's outside his district, but somehow, any spending done in his district is somehow necessary and can't be compromised.

I must have missed the speech. And I have been in a coma.

And I'm still dying.
#19 Feb 05 2010 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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He admonished both sides for their earmarks and pointed out that any congressman will say spending is wasteful when it's outside his district, but somehow, any spending done in his district is somehow necessary and can't be compromised.

In the paraphrased words of George Carlin: All their stuff is shit and all my shit is stuff.
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#20 Feb 05 2010 at 8:39 AM Rating: Default
Flea,

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Wait, so the fact that he's throwing a wrench into all pending nominations, even the ones that might benefit his party is saving time? It's actually the opposite of that.


And that's a good thing. The more time the senate wastes with this the less time they have to keep f*cking up the economy.

#21 Feb 05 2010 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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I must have missed the speech. And I have been in a coma.

And I'm still dying.


Is this for real?Smiley: dubious If so I'm sorry to hear that. Smiley: frown

Edit: and If I'm just being Gullible... Fuck you.

Edited, Feb 5th 2010 9:45am by toohotforu
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#23 Feb 05 2010 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the hugglze. And as for the search, its too damn early and all I can think about this morning is 24 ******* inches of snow... really? Let me off this snow bound train.
#24 Feb 05 2010 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:

I must have missed the speech. And I have been in a coma.

And I'm still dying.


Is this for real?Smiley: dubious If so I'm sorry to hear that. Smiley: frown

Edit: and If I'm just being Gullible... Fuck you.


Being on death's door is no excuse to be an ignorant ****. Die faster Moe.

(And welcome back, good to see you again)
#25 Feb 05 2010 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
An update on this:

The holdup on the defense contract isn't for budget issues, as I mistakenly assumed. It's because, like many contracts, the money and the planes could either go to US based Boeing, or EU-based EADS. Shelby wants the contract to go to EADS because some of parts will be built in Alabama. (Yes, Alabama needs jobs. So do the other 49 states.) The White House wants the contract to go to Boeing because it's an American company, although the planes will be built in other states besides Alabama (primarily Washington state, where Boeing is based.) EADS said it will create 20K jobs in Alabama and Kansas. Boeing said it will create and retain a total of 40K jobs throughout the country.

This is likely part of the ongoing issue over the contracts that were awarded to EADS, prompting Boeing to protest because the evaluation methods were unfair. After a series of scandals, the bid went out again. And again, after the air force changed it specs. Last we heard, Boeing had "won" the latest contract round.

So basically, Senator Shelby is throwing this hissy fit because a defense contract won't be going to a foreign-owned company like he wants. Priceless.
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