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No one has told me why they can't just build a corporate political funding cap as a function of the US taxes the business contributes. I'm sure I'm missing something here, since I'm not that familiar with it.
Just as Planned.
Timelordwho wrote:
No one has told me why they can't just build a corporate political funding cap as a function of the US taxes the business contributes. I'm sure I'm missing something here, since I'm not that familiar with it.
Wouldn't that by its very nature make it so that larger corporations have more potential say than smaller ones, which people here have already spoken out against?
Meh. I'm of the mind that it really should be individuals only. Barring that, I could be happy with a balanced restriction across the board(Corporations, Unions, etc). In the end, however, I'm mostly of a mind that I just want to have to deal with fewer political advertisements on my TV while I'm trying to watch the Simpsons.
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
Do you know why you're the only ones still arguing with me?
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
Do you know why you're the only ones still arguing with me?
Wow, is it Tuesday already?
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
No one has told me why they can't just build a corporate political funding cap as a function of the US taxes the business contributes. I'm sure I'm missing something here, since I'm not that familiar with it.
Wouldn't that by its very nature make it so that larger corporations have more potential say than smaller ones, which people here have already spoken out against?
Meh. I'm of the mind that it really should be individuals only. Barring that, I could be happy with a balanced restriction across the board(Corporations, Unions, etc). In the end, however, I'm mostly of a mind that I just want to have to deal with fewer political advertisements on my TV while I'm trying to watch the Simpsons.
Just as Planned.
Timelordwho wrote:
That's why I said a function of the US taxes paid for business. Thus larger corporations that end up having large segments in other countries have only the reach of their domestic segment. It also has the benefit that it discourages off-shoring and other tax evasion tricks by limiting their ability to legally influence policy decisions should they engage in them.
I didn't say large corporations that are offshore. I said "large corporations" period.
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
Do you know why you're the only ones still arguing with me?
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
Rights are not granted by law. They are inherent to the individual and the group. They are simply protected legally by the constitution.
The stupidest comment made in this thread yet.
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I didn't say large corporations that are offshore. I said "large corporations" period.
This wasn't the issue I was confronting. That ship has long since sailed.
I'm offering a legislative addendum to the current ruling.
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Timelordwho wrote:
I'm offering a legislative addendum to the current ruling.
Might help if you were a senator or something.
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Because Joph's wrapped up in a 10-page swordfight with varus and gbaji?
I thought it was because everyone knows that once I get past the first page I get bored and start being silly.
Dozy **** wrote:
Me wrote:
Rights are not granted by law. They are inherent to the individual and the group. They are simply protected legally by the constitution.
The stupidest comment made in this thread yet.
What about it was stupid? You, perhaps, have a clearer understanding that you'd like to share?
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
Dozy **** wrote:
Me wrote:
Rights are not granted by law. They are inherent to the individual and the group. They are simply protected legally by the constitution.
The stupidest comment made in this thread yet.
What about it was stupid? You, perhaps, have a clearer understanding that you'd like to share?
publiusvarus wrote:
Collective efforts have much more influence than individuals.
So you are in favour of unions. Fucking communist!
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Sweetums wrote:
Do not get Allegory started. It is boring, pedantic, and written by a robot.
I am aware. Thanks. There's a round room somewhere with a corner you should be peeing in.
publiusvarus wrote:
Can't do that when a guns pointed at your head saying you better not.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
publiusvarus wrote:
After all aren't the companies made up of individuals.
Exactly. So no need to treat the corporation as anything other than a group of individuals, each with their own individual personal rights as granted to all such peoples.
I'm glad we agree.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
What about it was stupid? You, perhaps, have a clearer understanding that you'd like to share?
This will be exactly as Sweetums said, but anyway there is nothing special about "rights." The fundamental laws of the universe are not gravity, electromagnetism, and freedom of speech. North Koreans don't have the right of freedom of speech. It's not that they have it but the government isn't acknowledging it; they simply don't have it.
Rights are a social contrivance, most are a very, very good contrivance, but still something entirely made up. They aren't fundamental, innate, or immutable. Rights are granted by laws. The Constitution is a legal document that grants and protects rights; it is not holy scripture which reveals that we have these rights.
Allegory wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
I'm offering a legislative addendum to the current ruling.
It certainly would. But working stuff through with the appropriate parties also works.
Just as Planned.
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Rights are a social contrivance, most are a very, very good contrivance, but still something entirely made up. They aren't fundamental, innate, or immutable. Rights are granted by laws. The Constitution is a legal document that grants and protects rights; it is not holy scripture which reveals that we have these rights.
At least you're consistent. I'm just happy that there will always be people with a better understanding of the nature of the universe more than willing to put a boot to the back of the neck of hopelessly pessimistic view of life that you have.
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
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Rights are a social contrivance, most are a very, very good contrivance, but still something entirely made up. They aren't fundamental, innate, or immutable. Rights are granted by laws. The Constitution is a legal document that grants and protects rights; it is not holy scripture which reveals that we have these rights.
At least you're consistent. I'm just happy that there will always be people with a better understanding of the nature of the universe more than willing to put a boot to the back of the neck of hopelessly pessimistic view of life that you have.
Just as Planned.
About as pessimistic as acknowledging that the tooth fairy is a story made up to entertain children and not, ya know, a real and wondrous person.
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