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#1 Jan 30 2010 at 10:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, I just found out that 4 houses on my road, all within literally 500 feet of me at this very moment, were broken into and robbed last week. Those of you who remember my little appartment theif breaking in whilst I was still inside adventure from what, 2 years ago now? will understand that this is kind of really freaking me the hell out right now.

I've decided to beef up all the locks, add window locks, motion lights, all that fun stuff and upgrade the alarm system a bit. I'm also seriously considering installing a video surveilance system on the front and back door. The cost of the latter isn't so much the issue ($130 + hard drive for a Power Over Ethernet IP based setup and 2 external camera housings). Installing such a system would be well within my skill set, but the reason I hesitate is that it just seems kind of creepy to me.

I think if I saw a neighbor with a camera on their house that might possibly be able to see mine, I wouldn't think "oh, that will help keep my property safe!". i'd actually think "wow, what does that person have to hide, or why are they pointing a camera my direction"

I don't know. Am I over thinking this? The cameras I would install if I did would be partially concealed under the eaves, but if somoene knew what they were doing they would find them (mostly because springing for fully concealed cameras seems even more creepy to me, not to mention the maintenance issues of keeping the pinhole lense clear of bugs and dirt.

What would you think presented with the same situation, either as the neighbor or as the homeowner?
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#2 Jan 30 2010 at 10:51 PM Rating: Good
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You really can't have too much security.

The severed heads on pikes would be the better choice, truth be told.

Edited, Jan 30th 2010 11:54pm by lolgaxe
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#3 Jan 30 2010 at 10:55 PM Rating: Good
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
What would you think presented with the same situation, either as the neighbor or as the homeowner?


I see nothing wrong with what you presented. Concealed or not, I would just make sure the cameras don't record anything beyond your own home entrance(s). I'm not sure why the idea seems freaky to you. Businesses do it all the time and if the houses in your neighborhood are being targeted, it sounds like a perfectly reasonable counter measure.
#4 Jan 30 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Good
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When it comes to protecting your house/family/computer there isn't really a limit when it comes to security/surveillance.

If, however, you start wiring shotguns to your doors while you sleep... you may have gone too far.
#5 Jan 30 2010 at 11:00 PM Rating: Good
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Assuming you don't intend to set up booby traps, cameras and deterrent systems are pretty effective.

I'd recommend going over and to explain the situation and to ask your neighbors if they'd mind you setting up such a system. If they know why you're setting them up, it won't seem all that creepy.
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I wouldn't be against cameras, motion sensors, etc.

But I would hate to have to put bars on my windows. Where I lived in South Carolina there were some very bad neighborhoods outside mine, and they all had bars over their windows. It just brings back bad memories, and looks horrible.
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#7 Jan 30 2010 at 11:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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If, however, you start wiring shotguns to your doors while you sleep... you may have gone too far.


Easier method: shotgun shell+ mousetrap, and you've got yourself a makeshift low-yield claymore mine.
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#8 Jan 30 2010 at 11:05 PM Rating: Good
If I had the money, I would install a surveillance system. You can never be too safe.

However I would not broadcast it to everyone that I was installing cameras around my house.
I would conceal them to look like lights, and if a neighbor asked what I was doing I would tell him/her just that (installing lights).

When I was a kid my parents were robbed twice (within a year). I remember the feeling of not being safe and having some issues due to the robberies (I still have some home alone issues -.-).

So I say go for it. Keep you and your house safe by all possible means.
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If, however, you start wiring shotguns to your doors while you sleep... you may have gone too far.


Easier method: shotgun shell+ mousetrap, and you've got yourself a makeshift low-yield claymore mine.


I'm pretty sure a mousetrap doesn't have enough force to ignite the shotgun shell. Maybe MythBusters should do an episode on it?
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If, however, you start wiring shotguns to your doors while you sleep... you may have gone too far.


Easier method: shotgun shell+ mousetrap, and you've got yourself a makeshift low-yield claymore mine.


I'm pretty sure a mousetrap doesn't have enough force to ignite the shotgun shell. Maybe MythBusters should do an episode on it?


Yeah, I left out components so that the bright people who end up trying this at home don't kill themselves.
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#11 Jan 30 2010 at 11:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I left out components so that the bright people who end up trying this at home don't kill themselves.


You're too kind. I'm thinking a base plate with a harness for the shell and a firing pin underneath. Mousetrap fires, forces the plate downward, driving the pin into the shell primer. BAM.
#12 Jan 30 2010 at 11:29 PM Rating: Decent
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If I had the money, I would install a surveillance system. You can never be too safe.

Surveillance systems are a complete waste of cash on most homes. You don't want to catch burglars; you want to deter them from choosing your home. Cameras aren't easily noticeable, and so they do nothing to deter the burglar if he isn't aware you have them. He'll also feel fairly secure--and rightly so--if he simply wears a head covering.

If you want a high tech solution, get motion sensors with automatic lights. Lights are highly visible, so the burglar is aware that you are preparing for him. They help to draw attention from neighbors and passers by. The also remove at the very least the idea that the burglar is invisible or unseen. motion sensor lights will help you out immensely at night.

During the day I'd suggest two things. Don't make it easy to tell when you are or are not at home (don't leave the garage door open when you are at home, etc). Also get to know your neighbors, because these are people who can help watch your house.
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You don't need all of that junk, just one of these:

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Remember to keep it on the ground floor though, and off the road, and to announce yourself loudly before approaching it.
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#14 Jan 30 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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You're too kind. I'm thinking a base plate with a harness for the shell and a firing pin underneath. Mousetrap fires, forces the plate downward, driving the pin into the shell primer. BAM.


You mean thumbtack, tinfoil to confine reaction and fishing line for remote detonation, right?

Please note: I am not liable for loss of life and limb.
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#15 Jan 30 2010 at 11:39 PM Rating: Decent
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fishing line for remote detonation, right?


Only on the advanced model.
#16 Jan 30 2010 at 11:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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If I had the money, I would install a surveillance system. You can never be too safe.

Surveillance systems are a complete waste of cash on most homes. You don't want to catch burglars; you want to deter them from choosing your home. Cameras aren't easily noticeable, and so they do nothing to deter the burglar if he isn't aware you have them. He'll also feel fairly secure--and rightly so--if he simply wears a head covering.

If you want a high tech solution, get motion sensors with automatic lights. Lights are highly visible, so the burglar is aware that you are preparing for him. They help to draw attention from neighbors and passers by. The also remove at the very least the idea that the burglar is invisible or unseen. motion sensor lights will help you out immensely at night.

During the day I'd suggest two things. Don't make it easy to tell when you are or are not at home (don't leave the garage door open when you are at home, etc). Also get to know your neighbors, because these are people who can help watch your house.


Motion lights will be in place by tomorrow. I'm not 100% sure if i'll need more of them for the front or not. 3 lights on the same circuit in front, my thinking is that since it is the same circuit, and the motion sensor is just like another on off switch, one motion light should be sufficient to controll all three lights. I can get away with only one in that case because it is off to the side, ideally placed, and being somewhat seperate would not look all that odd if it were a different yet similar model to the two on the garage. If I need more though, I'll go get more.

And yes I do want to catch the burgler, I have a quota to fill and a reputation to maintain! So far its burglers 0, Kao 1. But I guesss I'd really rather have them not break in at all to be perfectly honest. I suspect the random light schedule of the fish tank light timer and the fact that with the blinds closed, they can't see it entirely may be acting as an interior deterrent. The only place you can currently see into my house is the front entry way (small window above the front door and small window in the door itself) but from that window, you can only see a partial wall and the couch. I've considered putting in opalescent glass there as well like I did with the similar window in the back, but there isn't really a good place in the door to install a peep hole thingy. Given that they really can't see much, and from those windows I can see anyone at the front door with my height advantage, I'm inclined to leave them.
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#17 Jan 30 2010 at 11:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just pretend you're in "Home Alone" and rig your house up that way.
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Just pretend you're in "Home Alone" and rig your house up that way.


I tried to do this once as a kid. When I carried in paint buckets my parents decided to stop my fun before I knocked out my own teeth.
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#19 Jan 31 2010 at 12:13 AM Rating: Good
I really think that Motion Lights are placebos, just like car alarms. First, the neighbors go "Hey, what's that?" then in a week, it's down to "That ******* light at Tim's is driving me crazy!" No one pays attention to that **** anymore.

Quit ******** around, get motion sensing machine guns.
#20 Jan 31 2010 at 12:41 AM Rating: Good
File your teeth to points. Smile at passers by often.
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It's not about locking up your house as tight as can be, it's about making your house the least vulnerable and unappealing target. If you're going to get cameras, make sure they are visible since they aren't going to deter anybody who doesn't know they are there. Keep in mind that if you don't catch them in the act, your probably not going to catch them at all. With that in mind, use your cameras as a preemptive tool.

A good idea is one of those doorbell/intercom/video camera things. Aside from being highly visible to anyone approaching the front door, you can avoid dealing with any salesman or bible thumpers. High decibel motion AND glass break sensors wired into the house alarm are another good idea, and fairly cheap.

Just take a walk around your house, if you find any access points that can't be easily seen by your neighbors or from the street, make sure you protect them. Glass laminate or laminated windows are a good idea if the windows are hidden by a bush or a fence. Also, go ask the neighbors who got hit and find out how they got in, it'll give you any idea of what you need to work on.

Keep your blinds closed at night and any expensive toys out of plain view. If your alarm company offers those "Protected by" signs or stickers, grab a few.
#22 Jan 31 2010 at 1:06 AM Rating: Excellent
Just mobilize the wombats!
#23 Jan 31 2010 at 1:12 AM Rating: Good
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I Second notions to contact your neighbours who would be affected by any installations you want to install. I'm the sort of person who would write a friendly letter and drop it in their mailbox rather than knocking on their door and explaining face to face, but that's me. The neighbours may not enthralled by your ideas and actions, but if you explain up front about being at home when a housebreaker entered two years ago, and finding that unnerving, and not liking the recent spate of burglaries in the street, I'm sure that they'd be more co-operative than they otherwise might be.

Personally speaking, I wouldn't be concerned about the front of my house and me and my guests being caught on some-one else's security camera. I don't know if I'd be irritated by lights coming on and off frequently across the street. It would depend how bright they were, and how often the animals crossed.
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Sentry turret, sans weapons system, $250.
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I like the poll on the sentry turret page. "What did you think of our software?" Not a single positive option on there.
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I like the poll on the sentry turret page. "What did you think of our software?" Not a single positive option on there.


Saying that it's fine doesn't tell him where to improve the site.
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