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#1 Jan 29 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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I have a bit of a problem. Every few weeks, I like to make a nice roast beef, but except on rare occasions, I can't splurge for the REALLY good cuts. I've found the best compromise between something that's really tender and tasty and fiscal responsibility is a bottom round roast I get from a butcher shop near me. Cooked rare to medium rare it's really tender and tasty, but there is one problem with it:

It never provides me with enough drippings to make yummy stuff like au jus and Yorkshire puddings.

So...hit me with your best recipes and recommendations for how to simulate beef drippings. I've been told to deglaze the bottom of the pan with stock and then let it cook down, which seems like it would do all right for gravy or even au jus, but it seems to me that wouldn't provide enough fat/oil for making something like Yorkshire pudding, right?
#2 Jan 29 2010 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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You have a couple options really, you can add extra juice at the beginning or the end of the process. If you don't think you have enough fat for the yorkshire pudding, save bacon fat from when you cook that and just drop some of that in.

I don't often do a whole roast because it's pretty big for just me, so I'll take a thick steak, sear it and then pop it into the oven. I'll then deglaze the pan I used with some wine and some stock. It's pretty delicious, You could try something similar. The searing is good for roasts too.

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 12:08pm by Xsarus
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#3 Jan 29 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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You are blowing my goddamned mind here. What's a roast?
#4 Jan 29 2010 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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You are blowing my goddamned mind here. What's a roast?


Listen lady, Joph can't survive on tacos and enchiladas alone.
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#5 Jan 29 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hm, maybe I'll make a pot roast this weekend.

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#6 Jan 29 2010 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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If you are going to a butcher, you could ask if they have any free fatty off-cuts. Those could be used as a source of fat. Butchers in the UK cannot sell some unpopular cuts of meat and will give them to you free. I do not know if that the same in the US.

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 7:22pm by GwynapNud
#7 Jan 29 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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Some claim that if you put your roast into an oven pre-heated to a higher temp to start and then reduce the temp for the reminder, will serve to sear the meat some and hold in juices - sounds skeptical to me.

As others have mentioned you can add fat easy enough, juice things up with wine, or substitute beef stock where needed (my hubby uses Wolfgang Pucks beef stock all the time). Or...., for roast beef there are other yummy sauces that are pretty easy to make - Bearnaise, remoulade, horseradish etc.
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#8 Jan 29 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Some claim that if you put your roast into an oven pre-heated to a higher temp to start and then reduce the temp for the reminder, will serve to sear the meat some and hold in juices - sounds skeptical to me.


Er... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe she wants more juice in the pan (for delicious gravy), not the meat.
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#9 Jan 29 2010 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
How do you cook your roast? Do you use a roast pan with a rack? If your roast is sitting on the pan bottom, it will soak up some of the drippings and you'll end up with less. A rack serves to elevate the roast above the pan bottom allowing more drippings to settle there.
#10 Jan 29 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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All this talk about gravy is making me hungry.
#11 Jan 29 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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Well the french do call us Brits "Les Rosbifs so here goes.

1. Oven very hot for 1st 20 mins then turn down to regular roasting temp. (This renders the fat out of the meat but doesn't burn it)

2. DON'T use a rack. Place carrots, potatoes, onions and celery (Don't peel them or chop them, just cut in half in the bottom of the roasting tin/dish.). Stand the meat on top of the veg (it's an edible trivet!), and add a bayleaf and cracked peppercorns. AWESOME gravy if you mush then reduce with wine at the end.

3. If there isn't enough fat in/on the meat:
a) Cover in fatty bacon just before you turn the temperature down, or
b) What Gwyn said - ask your butcher for the fat-trimmings from topside cuts, or
c) Put Goose Fat in the bottom of the pan just before you turn the heat down. (Goose fat cooks at a much higher heat than beef fat. Google it and a local deli should have some.)
d) Here in britainland we can buy beef dripping - it's good, but goose fat is betterer.

4. Baste the meat in the fat every 15-20 mins.

For the piece de resistance, cut potatoes into 2" chunks, boil for 15 mins in salted water, shake in a colander (so the edges get all fluffy), drizzle with Olive Oil and let 'em cool and soak up the oil. Chuck 'em in the fat for the last 30 mins for ultimate roast potatoes. Carrots too if you like.

If I can be ****** I'll post the recipe for Nobby's Traditional Sunday Roast (with Yorkshire pudding and gravy that angels try to steal).
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#12 Jan 29 2010 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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nobby's recipies ? Actually it doesn't look like it's in there.

Also Feel free to post links in my journal if you want. When I'm not being lazy It where I repost or link recipe threads.

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 3:36pm by Xsarus
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#13 Jan 29 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
nobby's recipies ? Actually it doesn't look like it's in there.
It is now.

Along with the genius by-product that is "Bubble & Squeak"
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#14 Jan 29 2010 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
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Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
You are blowing my goddamned mind here. What's a roast?


Listen lady, Joph can't survive on tacos and enchiladas alone.
I don't know how to make those, either.

Just this year I figured out that meatloaf was actually a loaf of meat .
#15 Jan 29 2010 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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Nobby wrote:
For the piece de resistance, cut potatoes into 2" chunks, boil for 15 mins in salted water, shake in a colander (so the edges get all fluffy), drizzle with Olive Oil and let 'em cool and soak up the oil. Chuck 'em in the fat for the last 30 mins for ultimate roast potatoes. Carrots too if you like


This.

Throw in some garlic cloves (peeled but not cut) when you put them in the oven for an added zing.

Heaven is a plate of roast parsnips Smiley: inlove
#16 Jan 29 2010 at 4:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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GwynapNud of the Emerald Dream wrote:
Throw in some garlic cloves (peeled but not cut) when you put them in the oven for an added zing.
In the words of Joliet Jake:

No

FUckin'

Way!

Why on earth would you want garlic in your Sunday Roast you stupid fUcking *****?

If you're roasting garlic potatoes maybe - but then only an moron would peel the garlic first, dumbass.

I know I'm a fanboi of Cordon Bleu cuisine, but this is an "English" roast dinner, not some Jamie Hairy Fat Floyd TV extravaganza - it's British & trad.

Now go eat your boyfriend's ***** & leave us alone.

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 5:59pm by Nobby
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#17 Jan 29 2010 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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Thank you for the recipes and tips, Nobby, Xsarus and everyone else who chimed in. My Christmas dinner was a bit disappointing and I want to perfect my roast beef technique (which I can then apply to my Christmas prime rib) before December rolls around, so this is helpful!
#18 Jan 29 2010 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
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You might experiment with a barding (larding) needle. It is an old technique, but might fit your needs.

Searing the roast first may help keep it moist, you might also want to plan things so the roast rests before it is served. If you don't use one, consider getting a thermometer.

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