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#227 Jan 28 2010 at 5:30 PM Rating: Decent
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This is actually the first time I've ever spoken about politics to anyone I didn't know.
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Spazzydorf started out fairly sane (even if I thought he was mistaken in his complaint) and seems to have slipped 80% of the way into Varus mode within 20 posts.

Hell, I even rated him out of default on his first post. Should have finished the first page before that though.

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See what we have to deal with here?

Do you ever think, that maybe we do this to people?

I mean, someone here could have insidious brainwashing tendrils or something.

Liberals ruin everything!
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#228 Jan 28 2010 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
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WTF?! Less than 24 hours and you've filled up 5 more pages? There's no way I'm reading through all of that.

Jesus, don't any of you have jobs?
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#229 Jan 28 2010 at 6:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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WTF?! Less than 24 hours and you've filled up 5 more pages? There's no way I'm reading through all of that.

Jesus, don't any of you have jobs?

to be fair, varrus has somehow asexually budded into two posters.

Also, Joph.
#230 Jan 28 2010 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
WTF?! Less than 24 hours and you've filled up 5 more pages? There's no way I'm reading through all of that.

Jesus, don't any of you have jobs?

to be fair, varrus has somehow asexually budded into two posters.

Also, Joph.
I'm testing part of a system that requires a relatively long start up cycle every time I change something, so this is my waiting time.

http://xkcd.com/303/
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#231 Jan 28 2010 at 8:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophed,

Are you sick? Everytime I turn on the radio i'm listening to Obama preach how the banks should be running their business.


Well given how a few hundred private businesses (banks) managed to mismanage themselves, then proceed to take down most of the rest of the worlds' economies with them when they went down the gurgler, damn straight they are not being left alone to their own devices any more. And if the Replicans were in power at the moment, they'd be doing exactly the same thing*, because leaving the world hostage to them** is obviously idiotic and untenable to anyone with the slightest intelligence.


*preaching how the banks should be running their business
** a small number of large banks
#232 Jan 28 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Well given how a few hundred private businesses (banks) managed to mismanage themselves, then proceed to take down most of the rest of the worlds' economies with them when they went down the gurgler, damn straight they are not being left alone to their own devices any more. And if the Replicans were in power at the moment, they'd be doing exactly the same thing*, because leaving the world hostage to them** is obviously idiotic and untenable to anyone with the slightest intelligence.


The banks were doing exactly what we (and the government) asked them to do. It's easy to criticize them and insist that they shouldn't take risks to increase profits right after said risks caused some economic fallout. But the rest of the time, we demand higher interest rate savings accounts, and lower interest loans, and a host of other financial activities, all of which benefit us. You kinda have to take one with the other. Saddle banks with too much regulation and you slow down economic growth during good economic times. We may not suffer as big a drop when things go bad, but we end up in a constant state of economic sluggishness as a consequence. Do this in an environment where there are any choices about where people put their money and the cure will likely be worse than the disease.


I'll also point out that the loophole-like conditions which encouraged financial institutions to put their money into increasingly risky investments was largely created by government regulation. I suppose if we lived in a world where regulators were "perfect" this wouldn't be a problem. But the law of unintended consequences seems to get us quite often...

Edited, Jan 28th 2010 7:28pm by gbaji
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#233 Jan 29 2010 at 12:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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The banks were doing exactly what we (and the government) asked them to do.
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#234 Jan 29 2010 at 2:57 AM Rating: Good
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The banks were doing exactly what we (and the government) asked them to do. It's easy to criticize them and insist that they shouldn't take risks to increase profits right after said risks caused some economic fallout. But the rest of the time, we demand higher interest rate savings accounts, and lower interest loans, and a host of other financial activities, all of which benefit us. You kinda have to take one with the other. Saddle banks with too much regulation and you slow down economic growth during good economic times. We may not suffer as big a drop when things go bad, but we end up in a constant state of economic sluggishness as a consequence. Do this in an environment where there are any choices about where people put their money and the cure will likely be worse than the disease.

I'll also point out that the loophole-like conditions which encouraged financial institutions to put their money into increasingly risky investments was largely created by government regulation. I suppose if we lived in a world where regulators were "perfect" this wouldn't be a problem. But the law of unintended consequences seems to get us quite often...

Your "economic sluggishness" is my "steady economic growth". I'd rather steady moderate growth than a system of bubbles and crashes.

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 3:58am by Aripyanfar
#235 Jan 29 2010 at 7:19 AM Rating: Good
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Just to touch on the Chris Matthews comment he made where he claimed to have forgotten Obama is black for an hour, I believe this points to the disparity of the Left between their stated ideals and the reality of human nature. His oh-too-earnest protestations coming later in the broadcast notwithstanding, it goes to show that race *is* an issue because it is part of what makes us who we are. Even the whole post-racial/transracial campaign hoopla of the Obama campaign was an event which conveniently ignored the massive elephant sitting in the corner of the room.

So for CM to blithely state he forgot Obama is black highlights just how important and significant the fact our president is a non-white is, because the converse of it is that Matthews is always cognizant of Obama's skin color-- all of which says race matters.

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#236 Jan 29 2010 at 8:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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But, for those troopers who carry on past the pretty pictures...
The article right below the graph wrote:
The Commerce Department's final estimate showed gross domestic product grew at a 2.2 percent annual rate instead of the 2.8 percent pace it reported last month.

It was still the fastest pace since the third quarter of 2007 and ended four straight quarters of decline in output. The resumption of growth in the July-September period probably ended the most brutal recession since the 1930s.

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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Coming out of the worst recession in generations, the U.S. economy grew at the fastest pace in six years during the fourth quarter of 2009, even as consumer spending and business investment remained tepid, according to data released Friday by the Commerce Department.

Real gross domestic product increased at a 5.7% seasonally-adjusted annual rate in the final three months of the year, the best quarterly growth since late 2003, the government estimated. The economy grew 2.2% in the third quarter.
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#237 Jan 29 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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So for CM to blithely state he forgot Obama is black highlights just how important and significant the fact our president is a non-white is, because the converse of it is that Matthews is always cognizant of Obama's skin color-- all of which says race matters.

Mainly it just highlights for me that Chris Matthews is a dingus.
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#238REDACTED, Posted: Jan 29 2010 at 8:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Xarus,
#239 Jan 29 2010 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
The banks were doing exactly what we (and the government) asked them to do. It's easy to criticize them and insist that they shouldn't take risks to increase profits right after said risks caused some economic fallout. But the rest of the time, we demand higher interest rate savings accounts, and lower interest loans, and a host of other financial activities, all of which benefit us. You kinda have to take one with the other. Saddle banks with too much regulation and you slow down economic growth during good economic times. We may not suffer as big a drop when things go bad, but we end up in a constant state of economic sluggishness as a consequence. Do this in an environment where there are any choices about where people put their money and the cure will likely be worse than the disease.

I'll also point out that the loophole-like conditions which encouraged financial institutions to put their money into increasingly risky investments was largely created by government regulation. I suppose if we lived in a world where regulators were "perfect" this wouldn't be a problem. But the law of unintended consequences seems to get us quite often...

Your "economic sluggishness" is my "steady economic growth". I'd rather steady moderate growth than a system of bubbles and crashes.


I'm just gonna go out there and say it, but I really can't remember the last time I "demanded" higher interest-rates savings accounts, lower interest loans, or a "host of other financial activities".

So yeah, I'll take the moderate but sustainable long-term growth any day. In addition, I'd also like us to stop using GDP as a measure of anything, since it's arguably the most useless performace indicator since gbaji's coital-longevity-clock had the "minutes" feature installed.
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#240REDACTED, Posted: Jan 29 2010 at 9:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Red,
#241 Jan 29 2010 at 9:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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These bank failings are calculated. If you think otherwise you're just drinking the koolaid.

Hey, who can argue with a brilliant case like that? You should become a lawyer!

"Your Honor and members of the jury... clearly my client is innocent of all wrong-doings. If you think otherwise, you're just drinking the Kool-Ade."
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#242REDACTED, Posted: Jan 29 2010 at 9:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,
#243 Jan 29 2010 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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I guess a better question would be what do you think we should measure?


How far away you are from a mental hospital at any given point in time?
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#244 Jan 29 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah i'd try and change the subject off these bank closings

Change the subject? You haven't gotten on the subject yet except to say "It's true! It's all true and if you don't think so... HAHA KOOL-ADE! Beat THAT, suckers!"
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#245 Jan 29 2010 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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I've posted numerous sources that verify the govn was basically strongarming these banks into making risky loans.
Smiley: lol You're such a joke

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 9:27am by Xsarus
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#246 Jan 29 2010 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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So for CM to blithely state he forgot Obama is black highlights just how important and significant the fact our president is a non-white is, because the converse of it is that Matthews is always cognizant of Obama's skin color-- all of which says race matters.
Of course race matters but it gets a little old when that's all people see, gringo.
#247REDACTED, Posted: Jan 29 2010 at 10:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60B4UW20100112
#248 Jan 29 2010 at 10:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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So all these banks collapsed because Obama is considering a fee to recoup the remainder of the bank bailout money?

Interesting...
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#249 Jan 29 2010 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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I never thought I'd say it, but varus is officially a boring, predictable troll.
#250 Jan 29 2010 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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I can imagine Varrus watching a Christmas Carol.

"That's just a liberal conspiracy."
"Of course, they should go to workhouses. I can't believe they are stealing from Scrooge again."
"The ghosts are just a liberal plot."
"I bet that Bob Cratchet enjoyed stealing coal from Scrooge and that's why he was old and decripit in the future."
"If Tiny Tim only got a paper route, he could buy his own medical care."
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#251 Jan 29 2010 at 10:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can imagine Varrus watching a Christmas Carol.

"That's just a liberal conspiracy."
"Of course, they should go to workhouses. I can't believe they are stealing from Scrooge again."
"The ghosts are just a liberal plot."
"I bet that Bob Cratchet enjoyed stealing coal from Scrooge and that's why he was old and decripit in the future."
"If Tiny Tim only got a paper route, he could buy his own medical care."


Haha, Varrus has mutliple personality disorder but they're all ****.
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