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#27 Jan 25 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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The reason I roll my eyes at that criticism is because it is such an incredibly popular plot device. Big giant power that will have it's way no matter what, vs the scrappy but noble underdog. It's pretty much a staple of our culture.


I think mostly Thiefx just figured enough time had passed since Varrus said it that it was ok for him to try and pass it off as his own opinion.
#28 Jan 25 2010 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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The reason I roll my eyes at that criticism is because it is such an incredibly popular plot device. Big giant power that will have it's way no matter what, vs the scrappy but noble underdog. It's pretty much a staple of our culture.

Which is fine and I thought it was an entertaining enough film. But nothing in that film was deserving of any awards except for technical elements and production. The writing, acting, directing, etc were all garden variety and riding on the coattails of a bajillion processor cycles.
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#29 Jan 25 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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oh absolutely. It was an amusing film that was visually impressive, nothing more.
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#30 Jan 25 2010 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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oh absolutely. It was an amusing film that was visually impressive, nothing more.


That's all it was supposed to be.
#31 Jan 25 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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Sherlock Holmes should be on that list.
Dang, I wanted to see that, I hoped it was good.
Just seeing the trailer made me retch.
#32 Jan 25 2010 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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Oh I remember a movie that stunk BAD - Sunshine Cleaning.
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#33 Jan 25 2010 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh I remember a movie that stunk BAD - Sunshine Cleaning.

Sunshine Cleaning was one of those poorly billed movies. The commercials/previews for it made it look like a dark comedy. Really, it was a rather plodding drama with a scant few comedic moments.
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#34 Jan 25 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wolverine.

I loved the X-Men trilogy, but *wow*, that was ridiculous. Smash and I were actually laughing so hard we had to pause it a couple times during scenes that were not supposed to be funny.

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#35 Jan 25 2010 at 3:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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I thought The Lovely Bones was fantastic...

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#36 Jan 25 2010 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Why does everyone hate Transformers so much? People ******* and whined with the first one that there was too much "people" and not enough robots and violence. How does the studio react? They add more robots and far more violence and everyone ******* about it. What's wrong people? Not happy when you're appeased?

Because everything about it was terrible.

It's not just that the plot was terrible; there were simply no redeeming qualities. The jokes were the worst of any of the high budget superhero movies. The action was terrible; I've seen lone wolf projects with superior action scenes. The art design, while being extremely expensive, makes every transformer looks like a collection of scrap metal, completely unable to discern what they are supposed to be.

Transformers also receives a lot of attention because it is the worst movie(s) made in recent times that has been so very, very popular. It's the "Do the Right Thing" of the masses.
#37 Jan 25 2010 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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Ignoring the OP. . .

Take out the CGI from "Avatard" and it was a 'mehh' moralistic story that would have 1950s kids rolling their eyes at the blunt-instrument messages about power, environment and Siggy Weaver's lovely chestage..

Don't get me wrong; I enjoyed watching the visuals in 3D and may go see it again with friends, but calling it a 'great' film (as many are) is a bit silly.

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#38 Jan 25 2010 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Take out the CGI from "Avatard" and it was a 'mehh' moralistic story that would have 1950s kids rolling their eyes at the blunt-instrument messages about power, environment and Siggy Weaver's lovely chestage..

There was much more to Avatar than CGI.

First the characters were written exceptionally well. Even if the roles they were designed for make you roll your eyes, the dialogue written for the role, the animation during conversation, and the voice acting all brought it to life very well. Miles Quaritch may have been a one dimensional army sergeant who loves using guns too much, but he was a great execution of that cliche.

Second, there was a very high and consistent level of detail. I'm not referring to polygon count; I'm talking about art design. Most of the creatures on the moon, save the Na'vi, have a secondary set of forelimbs. They aren't just random alien designed; they were made to look as if they could have all evolved from the same parent species. Same for the flying monsters. The larger predator was designed so that it looked biologically similar to the others it preyed upon. And even though I know the luminous plants exist for the sole purpose of making particular scenes seem wondrous and magical, they were introduced consistently and subtly enough throughout the film that when the scene hit it didn't feel as if they were put in specifically for that purpose, it felt as if they happened to be there.

Avatar is a completely constructed setting. Many constructed settings have the issue of feeling elements were designed specifically for the viewer to watch; that had this been a real place without an audience, these objects or events wouldn't have existed. Avatar greatly avoids this; and although the plot of the movie and culture of the Na'vi feel completely contrived, the world does not. Except for those darn floating mountains.

I think it's important to acknowledge that while Avatar wasn't a very good movie, it did have some very well executed elements. Something other directors and writers could learn from.

Edited, Jan 25th 2010 5:06pm by Allegory
#39 Jan 25 2010 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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Take out the CGI from "Avatard" and it was a 'mehh' moralistic story that would have 1950s kids rolling their eyes at the blunt-instrument messages about power, environment and Siggy Weaver's lovely chestage..

There was much more to Avatar than CGI.

First the characters were written exceptionally well. Even if the roles they were designed for make you roll your eyes, the dialogue written for the role, the animation during conversation, and the voice acting all brought it to life very well. Miles Quaritch may have been a one dimensional army sergeant who loves using guns too much, but he was a great execution of that cliche.

Second, there was a very high and consistent level of detail. I'm not referring to polygon count; I'm talking about art design. Most of the creatures on the moon, save the Na'vi, have a secondary set of forelimbs. They aren't just random alien designed; they were made to look as if they could have all evolved from the same parent species. Same for the flying monsters. The larger predator was designed so that it looked biologically similar to the others it preyed upon. And even though I know the luminous plants exist for the sole purpose of making particular scenes seem wondrous and magical, they were introduced consistently and subtly enough throughout the film that when the scene hit it didn't feel as if they were put in specifically for that purpose, it felt as if they happened to be there.

Avatar is a completely constructed setting. Many constructed settings have the issue of feeling elements were designed specifically for the viewer to watch; that had this been a real place without an audience, these objects or events wouldn't have existed. Avatar greatly avoids this; and although the plot of the movie and culture of the Na'vi feel completely contrived, the world does not. Except for those darn floating mountains.

I think it's important to acknowledge that while Avatar wasn't a very good movie, it did have some very well executed elements. Something other directors and writers could learn from.

Edited, Jan 25th 2010 5:06pm by Allegory
Like I say, from a visual point of view (Cinematography, artistic concept, CGI, eye-candy - amazing)

Beyond that - plot (3/10), originality (4/10) screenplay (6/10)

I stand by my comment. Enjoyed it immensely, but it's no great movie
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#40 Jan 25 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Allegory wrote:
First the characters were written exceptionally well.

Were we watching the same movie? The characters weren't so much "written" as pulled from a catalog of stock personalities.
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#41 Jan 25 2010 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
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Avatar was okay; I haven't seen it in 3D yet. Some of the lines were groan worthy because they were so bad - almost as bad as some of the new Star Wars movie lines. It was entertaining but I didn't walk out of the theater feeling like it was amazing.

#42 Jan 25 2010 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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Were we watching the same movie? The characters weren't so much "written" as pulled from a catalog of stock personalities.

We're measuring along different dimensions here. The characters were designed very poorly. They were pulled from a catalog of stock personalities as you said, but they were written very well. They were excellent executions of those stock personalities.

I guess the phrase "It's not what you got, it's what you do with it that counts," applies here. If you're an actor who has been cast as a terribly bland and one dimensional character, that doesn't mean you can't play that character very well.

Edited, Jan 25th 2010 6:01pm by Allegory
#43 Jan 25 2010 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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I did not see a single one of those films. Thats something to be glad of on a monday Smiley: smile
#44 Jan 25 2010 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
I mostly agree with Allegory. The world building was very good except the na'vi - because they are humanised so much - four limbs, human teeth, cry - to make the audience relate to them, it disconnects them from their surroundings somewhat, which is somewhat ironic. The plot is mediocre rather than bad. The characters are generally caricatures, but they are well executed and the dialogue was, on occasion, quite amusing. Personally, if I were going to rate it:

Visual: 10/10
Audio: 7/10
Plot: 5/10
Characterisation: 6/10

Personally, I think that being the pinnacle of achievement in a single category is easily enough to make up for its flaws, which I feel are generally exaggerated anyway. I might not describe it as a great film, though I am unlikely to use that phrase in anything approaching a serious review anyway, but I would suggest that anyone sighted watch it.
#45 Jan 25 2010 at 6:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Allegory wrote:
I guess the phrase "It's not what you got, it's what you do with it that counts," applies here. If you're an actor who has been cast as a terribly bland and one dimensional character, that doesn't mean you can't play that character very well.


Er? But the characters weren't played "well" by any measure I can think of. They looked good. That's literally it. The average Disney film has dialog as good or better than Avatar. It's not "bad". It's just stereotypical and plain.


Here's the deal though. The films focus isn't on the acting. We're not really supposed to feel angst at the situation the good guys are in, or recoil in horror at the acts of the bad guys. We're supposed to go "ooh" and "aah" at the pretty images in front of us. Avatar had just enough plot and characterization to carry off the visuals. Which is why it's a good film in that context, but only mediocre in any other.
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#46 Jan 25 2010 at 6:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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They were pulled from a catalog of stock personalities as you said, but they were written very well. They were excellent executions of those stock personalities.

Sorry. Not seeing it. There was nothing about any of the characters that didn't seem replaceable and at no time did I feel like "Oh no! I hope [marine/native-cat chick/biologist/completely forgettable bearded guy from Bones/etc] is okay!". Because none of them came to life for me except as plot devices to show more nifty CGI.

I'm sure you feel otherwise and it's cool -- it's "art" so there's nothing to empirically "prove" but I can't agree with you on that point.
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#47 Jan 25 2010 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure you feel otherwise and it's cool -- it's "art" so there's nothing to empirically "prove" but I can't agree with you on that point.
You're talking to Allegory.
#48 Jan 25 2010 at 6:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Avatar was okay; I haven't seen it in 3D yet. Some of the lines were groan worthy because they were so bad - almost as bad as some of the new Star Wars movie lines. It was entertaining but I didn't walk out of the theater feeling like it was amazing.



You should have seen it in 3D, it's really the only way.
#49 Jan 25 2010 at 6:20 PM Rating: Decent
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You're talking to Allegory.

Not that I can prove it, but I was expecting Jophiel to disagree, and I was planning on leaving it at "well that's just what I thought."
#50 Jan 25 2010 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
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You should have seen it in 3D, it's really the only way.


Yeah, a lot of people I've spoken with said that so I am going on Saturday night to see it again in 3D. There is an IMAX around here so I'm going to go there to see what it's like.
#51 Jan 25 2010 at 8:14 PM Rating: Good
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Ignoring the OP. . .

Take out the CGI from "Avatard" and it was a 'mehh' moralistic story that would have 1950s kids rolling their eyes at the blunt-instrument messages about power, environment and Siggy Weaver's lovely chestage..

Don't get me wrong; I enjoyed watching the visuals in 3D and may go see it again with friends, but calling it a 'great' film (as many are) is a bit silly.

This. I couldn't help but think back to the thread about all the dips that got depressed about not inhabiting Pandora and thought "these fuckers need to get out". Yeah the floating mountains were cool, but anything else is something you could see if you just caught a plane to Brazil or Guatemala.
The storyline was trite (Thanks for saving us, white man, you're a better native than us, even though we're had centuries of practice!), the love story was obvious and unmoving, and the ending was a cobbled mess. I liked it better when Disney called it Pocahontas.

Edited, Jan 25th 2010 8:14pm by Atomicflea
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