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#1 Jan 19 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Interesting.

It seems that the US marines are being supplied with equipment inscribed with bible passages.

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"It's wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws," said Michael "Mikey" Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.


"It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles," he said.
Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights. He also claims they've told him that commanders have referred to weapons with the sights as "spiritually transformed firearm[s] of Jesus Christ."


Photos here.

Jesus would be proud!
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#2 Jan 19 2010 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
In other news, God Angrily Clarifies 'Don't Kill' Rule

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28151

#3REDACTED, Posted: Jan 19 2010 at 3:03 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) yossi,
#4 Jan 19 2010 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Jesus rifles!
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#5 Jan 19 2010 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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Actually it's thou shalt not "murder"


Unless you're Roman Catholic.
#6 Jan 19 2010 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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"To be honest, there's some contradictory stuff in there, okay?" God said. "So I can see how it could be pretty misleading. I admit it—My bad. I did My best to inspire them, but a lot of imperfect human agents have misinterpreted My message over the millennia. Frankly, much of the material that got in there is dogmatic, doctrinal ********* I turn My head for a second and, suddenly, all this stuff about homosexuality gets into Leviticus, and everybody thinks it's God's will to kill gays. It absolutely drives Me up the wall."


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#7REDACTED, Posted: Jan 19 2010 at 3:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nadenu,
#8 Jan 19 2010 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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Is it the King James version? Because that's the most accurate.
#9 Jan 19 2010 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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yossi,

Actually it's thou shalt not "murder"



Which can be easily interpreted(as you and other far right people tend to do with every possible passage from the bible when it suits your needs) to mean that one should not shoot people with Jesus guns...


Just sinking to your level is all...


Really, someone is probably going to be very fired for this. If an individual soldier wants to believe that what he's doing is "god's work", then fine, that's his decision, but, especially considering that there are people of all faiths and cultures in the military, it is completely unacceptable to be putting bible passages on the weapons they are to use against those they are ordered to kill.
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#10REDACTED, Posted: Jan 19 2010 at 3:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's all Obama's fault.
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Well played, good sir. I give you a tip of my hat. This issue really doesn't pique my interest, so I shall take my leave of this thread.


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#12 Jan 19 2010 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Atomicflea wrote:
Is it the King James version? Because that's the most accurate.


Actually, its just the most poetic.
#13 Jan 19 2010 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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Atomicflea wrote:
Is it the King James version? Because that's the most accurate.
The verb רָצַח (ratsakh) refers to the premeditated or accidental taking of the life of another human being; it includes any unauthorized killing (it is used for the punishment of a murderer, but that would not be included in the prohibition). This commandment teaches the sanctity of all human life.
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#14 Jan 19 2010 at 5:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Stolen from another forum:

Jesus wrote:
I have come not to bring peace, but a lightweight, 5.56 mm, air-cooled, gas-operated, magazine-fed assault rifle, with a rotating bolt, actuated by direct impingement gas operation.
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#15 Jan 19 2010 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, it's awfully poetic for a scope that is supposed to operate in all light conditions, a discrete bible verse code that references: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life".

So cute. I bet some private gun owners would love to have it on their scope.

But yeah, totally unacceptable for a secular government military weapon.
#16 Jan 19 2010 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
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Coincidental discovery of random manufacturer markings?
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Coincidental discovery of random manufacturer markings?

Nah, the company in question admitted to it.
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#18 Jan 19 2010 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh. I looked at the pictures but didn't read the articles.

Douchebags.
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#19 Jan 20 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Debalic wrote:
Coincidental discovery of random manufacturer markings?

Nah, the company in question admitted to it.
Still the average soldier isn't going to recognize the marking as a bible passage. Of those that do, many will not know or bother to look up the actual passage. Those that do recognize it or research it are probably already firmly of the faith.

Seems to be a bit of choir-preaching.
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#20 Jan 20 2010 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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yossi,

Actually it's thou shalt not "murder"


Unless you're Roman Catholic.


TheOnion wrote:
God stressed that His remarks were not directed exclusively at Islamic extremists, but rather at anyone whose ideological zealotry overrides his or her ability to comprehend the core message of all world religions.

#21REDACTED, Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 3:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yikes, someone must really be looking hard to get offended by something. If I was so offended I'd just scratch it out or ignore the tiny barely noticeable print.
#22 Jan 21 2010 at 3:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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AlexanderrOfAsura wrote:
Yikes, someone must really be looking hard to get offended by something. If I was so offended I'd just scratch it out or ignore the tiny barely noticeable print.


It's not a matter of "being offended." You'd have to be an idiot not to recognize that. As pertains primarily to the war in Iraq, a large portion of even friendly powers consider it to be an unnecessary invasion of a sovereign nation and most of the Islamic world considers it a modern-day crusade against Islam. In light of that, inscribing our weapons with references to passages from the Christian Bible severely damages our credibility when we try to pass the war in Iraq off as only being a pre-emptive strike against Saddam and the resulting occupation merely an effort to stabilize the region.
#23 Jan 21 2010 at 6:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Marines consider ending contract with Trijicon.
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The Marine Corps is reconsidering its contract with a Michigan company that has engraved hundreds of thousands of rifle sights with Bible inscriptions, a spokeswoman said Tuesday.

"We are aware of the issue and are concerned with how this may be perceived," USMC spokeswoman Capt. Geraldine Carey told ABC News. "We will meet with the vendor to discuss future sight procurements."

Trijicon, based in Wixom, Mich., has been making the rifle scopes for the Marines since 2005 - and carving references to Bible passages next to the scope's serial number.

U.S. military rules prohibit any service member from proselytizing while serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, which are primarily Muslim nations.

But one top U.S. military official defended the inscriptions, saying it doesn't violate any rules.

"The perfect parallel that I see is between the statement that's on the back of our dollar bills, which is 'In God We Trust,' and we haven't moved away from that," said Maj. John Redfield, spokesman for the U.S. Central Command.

"Unless the equipment that's being used that has these inscriptions proved to be less than effective for soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and military folks using it, I wouldn't see why we would stop using that," he said.

Mikey Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, said the sights endanger troops.

"This plays right into the hands of maniacs who say, 'Look, it's a jihad,'"" he said, adding that he's received several complaints from soldiers and Marines.

Weinstein is calling for a Congressional hearing to review the contracts.


See,this is why we can't have internet majority rule. The common man on the street has precious little knowledge of the fucking finesse of international PR. Major douche Redfield, a freaking SPOKESMAN for Central Command, can't understand why it's a bad idea to do anything resembling proselytizing when you're trying to not seem like you're invading a volatile Muslim nation.
#24REDACTED, Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 4:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just against the wacky twisted version of Islam that is being used by these people to justify their actions.
#25 Jan 21 2010 at 5:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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AlexanderrOfAsura wrote:


You'd have to be an idiot.....


But, but.... its not about the military or the muslims, Mr thicky.

Do you really think God and Jesus would approve? That is surely the point here....
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#26 Jan 21 2010 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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You'd have to be an idiot to not understand that is part of it. But then, I am not surprised.


The problem is that the words on those rifles represent the will of the citizens of the United States, and not all of them believe that Jesus was God.

It is incredibly offensive and disparaging towards other beliefs, but it is also a matter of public relations. We don't want to continue to **** off the entire Muslim world and make it seem like we are on some sort of religious "crusade."
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