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#27REDACTED, Posted: Jan 15 2010 at 12:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Xarus,
#28 Jan 15 2010 at 12:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bullsh*t. You're wiling to spend any amount of money to control other peoples' behavior when it does not affect you in the least.


LMAO...and you're for govn healhcare/welfare.



Strictly speaking I am for reform of the health insurance industry. I would not be opposed to socialized medicine, eventually.

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#29 Jan 15 2010 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes it is. And no matter how many times liberals say it isn't that doesn't change the truth of it.

Are you saying it is because 74% of all Americans identify as Christians? If so, it still makes your point invalid as Canada, which has 77% of it's citizens identifying as Christians, allows homosexual marriage and therefore, Christian countries do allow for it.
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#30 Jan 15 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Homosexuality is not a behaviour a good Christian condones.


Am I missing something?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." This nearly directly extends to Congress shall make no law endorsing any one religion. Making something illegal ONLY because one religion says it's wrong would be endorsing that religion.

Your entire argument is automatically void. The US is not, and can not be, a Christian nation. It can not make a constitutional law barring any practice just because Christianity says to.
#31 Jan 15 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Being a Christian nation, which we are
Yeah, sorry, this isn't true.

Varus is getting the present US confused with 16th century England.



happens all the time.
#32 Jan 15 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).


Homosexuality is not a behaviour a good Christian condones. Does that mean you don't pray for the sinner with the hope they turn away from sin...of course not.

But if you're a Christian then there can be no doubt that homosexuality is a sin.

Being a Christian nation, which we are, one can't reasonably expect a Christian nation to openly accept a behaviour the Bible is adamant about condemning.

People that think the Bible is a literal transcription of God's word make me sad. That said, since that's your poison,
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. -Matthew 7:2-5


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Flea,

s Flea in her infinite astuteness wrote:
Very true. Too creepy for a straight gal, too ugly for a gay dude.


Yes I know you're hot for me. Sorry I don't feel the same way.
Please. Smiley: lol Why would I lust after Spam (R) when I have filet mignon at home? At least try to be creative.

#33 Jan 15 2010 at 12:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also: I am definitely making steak for dinner.
#34 Jan 15 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:

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It's obvious to me. When Varus says he's a "conservative" he usually means a social conservative, not a fiscal conservative.


The two aren't mutually exclusive. One can be a fiscal and social conservative. Only people like yourself enjoy dividing people into various little subsets so as to make your condemnation of their beliefs more palpable.


No, they are not, but you can be more of one than another. I'm a fiscal conservative, but a social liberal, and also a Christian. And my social views override my fiscal views when it comes to government action... and my religious views play no part in how I think the government should act, because the government should never act with religion in mind.

You're (apparently) a fiscal conservative, social conservative, and a fundamentalist Christian. Your views obviously show that being fiscally conservative is a distant third to the other two, and when it comes to the number one spot, being a fundamentalist always edges out being socially conservative. Unlike me (and the Founding Fathers), you believe religion should rule the country; the religion being your own personal brand of Christianity. There is no doubt that this is contrary to the wishes of the country's founders, contrary to the Constitution, and would form a complete theocracy; but that's where you want it to go.

That's disturbing, to say the least.
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Also: I am definitely making steak for dinner.

SCORE!!
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#36 Jan 15 2010 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Atomicflea wrote:
Also: I am definitely making steak for dinner.


What should I bring?
#37 Jan 15 2010 at 2:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nadenu Delivers on Time wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
Also: I am definitely making steak for dinner.


What should I bring?


More steak, duh.

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#38 Jan 15 2010 at 2:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Atomicflea wrote:
Also: I am definitely making steak for dinner.

SCORE!!
Show your love with rate-ups, please.

Nadenue, bring condoms.
#39 Jan 15 2010 at 2:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Atomicflea wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
Also: I am definitely making steak for dinner.

SCORE!!
Show your love with rate-ups, please.

Nadenue, bring condoms.


Why would you and I need a condom?? Smiley: confused
#40REDACTED, Posted: Jan 15 2010 at 2:14 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Ehcks,
#41 Jan 15 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nadenu Delivers on Time wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
Also: I am definitely making steak for dinner.

SCORE!!
Show your love with rate-ups, please.

Nadenue, bring condoms.


Why would you and I need a condom?? Smiley: confused
Spoken like a woman who doesn't know where my stap-on's been.
#42 Jan 15 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:

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There is no doubt that this is contrary to the wishes of the country's founders, contrary to the Constitution, and would form a complete theocracy; but that's where you want it to go.

That's disturbing, to say the least.


About as disturbing as a govn forcing it's populace to work over 6 months a year, at the point of a gun, to support people who refuse to work.


Really, theocracy worries me a helluvalot more than taxation with representation (except you DC folks).
#43REDACTED, Posted: Jan 15 2010 at 2:17 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) I could take liberal Democrats stance on being forced to adhere to something they don't agree with. Tell the person who disagrees to just move and get over it. Isn't that what you liberals are telling us in regard to healthcare? Aren't you the ones saying Obama has a mandate from the people so everything else is secondary?
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I've never really understood why people can purport to be Christians, adamantly opposing any social programs designed to help the poor and upholding heterosexuality as any relevant part of the religion. Like really? If your morality is reduced to being a heterosexual, you might want to rethink your relationship with God and Jesus Christ.
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#45 Jan 15 2010 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've never really understood why people can purport to be Christians, adamantly opposing any social programs designed to help the poor and upholding heterosexuality as any relevant part of the religion. Like really? If your morality is reduced to being a heterosexual, you might want to rethink your relationship with God and Jesus Christ.
I just chalk it up to them worshiping some fucking 'tard version of Christ to whom I've never been introduced.
#46 Jan 15 2010 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
I could take liberal Democrats stance on being forced to adhere to something they don't agree with. Tell the person who disagrees to just move and get over it. Isn't that what you liberals are telling us in regard to healthcare? Aren't you the ones saying Obama has a mandate from the people so everything else is secondary?

You people are the most hypocritical people i've ever had the displeasure of coming in contact with.


I'm really not even sure what issue you're ranting about here. Is it forcing Christians to accept gay marriage? Is it forcing gays to accept they cannot be married? Is it forcing taxes on the American people? Is it forcing healthcare of all Americans?

I mean, usually at least you give us a hint. This time there's not even that...

Not like any of the above ideas of what you're saying even make sense.
#47REDACTED, Posted: Jan 15 2010 at 2:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Anna,
#48 Jan 15 2010 at 2:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Do you pick and choose which aspects of Christianity are relevant? Do you decide which commandments are good and which are ok to break if you need to?


Why not? You do.

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#49REDACTED, Posted: Jan 15 2010 at 2:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Locked,
#50 Jan 15 2010 at 2:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:

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upholding heterosexuality as any relevant part of the religion.


Do you pick and choose which aspects of Christianity are relevant? Do you decide which commandments are good and which are ok to break if you need to?


LOL

I suggest you reread the 10 Commandments buddy, if you think "Thou Shalt not Marry another Man" is one of them.

And don't be silly Varus, of course people pick and choose what parts of the Bible to follow. Why do you think there are hundreds of different sects? The Bible is confusing, contradictory, and has been translated and edited dozens of times. NO ONE knows what's right or what's wrong in there... well, except God, and He ain't talkin'.

I mean, just in the quote above:
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Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Your attack of homosexuality also calls drunkards and fornicators just as bad. I don't hear you say nothing about people who have premarital sex not being able to get married. Get off your high horse.

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#51 Jan 15 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think there is very little about the nature of Christianity you actually get, Varrus. You get the retarded version. Have you really studied the history of poor laws, including how money was distributed throughout Christianity? Tithing and the such? It wasn't voluntary and it wasn't considered stealing. It was considered a Christian's duty. If your "Christian" beliefs focus on what Jesus Christ did not care about--i.e. he never mentioned homosexuality and ignored what he asserted--your duty to help the less fortunate, then I wonder what kind of perversion of Christianity are you practicing.

I think the religion that most of the right practices has to do more with the free market than anything else.
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