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Um... No. I said that the dems use non-profit organizations to launder tax dollars into voter registration activities aimed at benefiting their party. You equated that to me claiming that every dem election in the last 4 years was "stolen", to which I clearly stated I don't use that word to describe this and have in fact consistently argued against this sort of practice whether it's an election year or not, or whether an election just happened or not.


To which you went waaaaaaaaaaay out of context and grabbed a quote of me using that word to describe a completely different situation.


You created the strawman Joph. I'm not going to defend it. I was talking about using voter registration tricks to up participation for a specific party. You're the one who inserted the "stolen" language, not me. I have never used that word to describe this sort of action. I'm not going to defend a strawman.



Except you did dork! I was talking about this context, and you took my words at literal face value. If that's the case, then take it all the way. Find quotes from me describing every single democrat win in the last 4 years as a "stolen election". If you can't, you lose! ;)



Sigh. Unwilling to counter the statement though, aren't you? Typical. When you can't win the point, just go on with the personal attacks I guess...



Look. It's an age old junk argument. A kid asks his dad for $100 so he can buy school supplies. A week later, the dad finds a $100 stash of weed hidden in the kids room. He accuses the kid of buying drugs with his $100, and the kid responds: "But dad! I didn't buy the weed with that $100! I used my own money..."

It doesn't fly there, and it doesn't fly here either. Acorn and its various child organizations all claim to have different purposes and on paper they do. However, they use the same address for many of them. Donations to "Acorn" can be applied to any of them and moved around as they wish. Thus, dollars received in say housing assistance grants, gets mixed in with donations, which get shifted around based on where they need the money. The only restriction is that they can't spend less budget wise in the housing organization than they received in grants.

In the same way that the funding received for school supplies frees up that $100 for the kid to buy weed, the government funding frees up those funds for Acorn to use for its voter operations. And while I suppose we could pretend that no Dems know that this effect occurs and acts to make sure that funding gets there in order to reap the reciprocal benefits, it seems unlikely that this is the case. The overt nature of back scratching which goes on in Washington just makes this sort of assumption incredibly naive.


Again though. You're free to insist that it's just that and everyone's honest and no one's making the very obvious connections here. But that really does make you naive. For someone who cheerfully agreed that the acts by Tom Delay's PAC were deserving of criminal action to be magically unable to see the problem inherent with a kind of blending of public and private funding present in organizations like Acorn is just stunning really. It calls to a degree of willful ignorance that is amazingly obvious to everyone except the guy doing it.

Um... Yeah. Whatever.

It's another attempt by Joph to shift the topic away from the point to something, anything, else. It's what he does when he knows he's losing an argument.

Nah, he pretty much nailed it.

There's nothing to shift away from. You're making stuff up and insisting that everyone accept it's real or else you're going to call us naive. That's your sole "evidence": you'll call us naive. That's not really much of a debate.

Beyond which, we're not talking about "donations to Acorn", we're talking about federal grants directly to ACORN Housing Affordable Loans, LLC or Acorn Financial Services. Places where they're required to account for the money that goes into those divisions. But that doesn't sound as compelling as "It's all money to Acorn! In one big bucket! The big Acorn money bucket used to buy elections and subvert democracy!"

Poor Gbaji... he only likes democracy is the right kind of people are voting and, when the GOP loses elections (because too many of the *ahem* "wrong" people voted), he needs some half-assed story blaming Acorn to make himself feel okay.

Edited, Jan 12th 2010 7:17am by Jophiel

OMG you're so cynical and cool!

Ok, Coakley, lets get a few things straight:

I'd vote for a decent Dem candidate.

Using an automated call to tell me that "The Republicans Party, an extremely right wing radical organization is pouring tons of money into the state" when they have spent far less on your opponent than Palin's shoe closet, is not helping.

Edited, Jan 12th 2010 12:25pm by Timelordwho

God, she misspelled her own state's name in an ad? That defies description.

You know a Senatorial race is @#%^ed up when Samira and I are attacking the Dem candidate and Gbaji is defending them.



Edited, Jan 12th 2010 9:43pm by Timelordwho

No, but she hired someone who hired someone who failed to vet the finished product. Buck stops, etc.

I'm curious to see the actual quote of what Brown said. Silly me, I'm not going to blindly trust that liberal media sources are accurately relaying to me what Brown's actual response to the reporter was. This would not be the first time a candidates statement was deliberately misrepresented in order to make this sort of apparent discrepancy.

Let me be really clear. I'm not doubting that he knows what the Tea Parties are about. I'm doubting that he actually told a reporter that he didn't know what the Tea Parties are about. Since the article you linked (and none that I could find linked from that site) provided an actual transcript of the words that were spoken, we're kinda stuck trusting Daily KOS that when they say he told a reporter X, those were the actual words spoken.


My money is on "attempt by left wing media to fabricate the appearance of deception by the GOP candidate right before the election". But that's just me...

Edited, Jan 14th 2010 11:33am by gbaji

Nobody on the Left here willing to take me up on that? C'mon guys. Maybe Smash can tell us the over/under on "Boston Globe grossly misrepresented Brown's statement in a way that just happened to conveniently allow a horde of blindly trusting liberals to repeat a falsehood".

Yeah. I spent the 10 minutes needed to find out the story was BS. It's amazing how predictable the liberal operation is. Lie. Lie. Lie...