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#1 Jan 08 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
No analytical mumbo jumbo here. Just a prompt for discussion.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6065UO20100107

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In a lawsuit filed in New York state supreme court in Manhattan on behalf of shareholders, the Central Laborers' Pension Fund said Goldman had by September 25 set aside nearly $17 billion for compensation and might pay out more than $22 billion for the year. It said this "highlights the complete breakdown" of corporate oversight.

The lawsuit contends that Goldman's revenue for the year was artificially inflated by government bailouts of the banking industry and the insurer American International Group Inc, as well as a change in Goldman's fiscal year.

Such sums, and Goldman's practice of continuing to pay out nearly 50 percent of net revenue as compensation, show "scant regard" for the interests of shareholders, it said.


Lessons learned? Of course not.

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The bank repaid its $10 billion of bailout money last year, and thus is no longer subject to related curbs on pay.


Oh well that just makes everything OK then, doesn't it?
#2 Jan 08 2010 at 4:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Huh, capitalist money grabbers grabbing money. How out of character.

You know, at some point it becomes less a matter of "failure of government oversight" and more "failure of individual character". If the stock holders don't like these guys snatching all their money they should take action as stock holders.

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#3 Jan 08 2010 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
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I personally like my nipples tweaked, but that's beside the point.

I think Samira is right that eventually the share holders will be pissed enough to dump their stock - or, you'd at least hope they wouldn't just sit there complacently.
#4 Jan 08 2010 at 4:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dump their stock hell, the controlling share holders should call an emergency board meeting and have these people justify what the fUCk they're doing.

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#5 Jan 08 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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Goldmann Sachs is good at what they do. Which is to make money. And nothing else.
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#6 Jan 08 2010 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nations_nipples_severely_under
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#7 Jan 08 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nations_nipples_severely_under


Much like IML in Chicago, MAL (**NSFW** Mid-Atlantic Leather **NSFW** ) comes to DC next weekend. I'm sure there will be lots of fun nipple tweaking and whatnot. Smiley: sly

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#8 Jan 08 2010 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm unclear how this constitutes any sort of legitimate lawsuit. A company they invested in (or had their pension in, or whatever), did poorly, received some bailout money, did well, paid back the bailout money, showed a profit, and recovered most of the lost stock value. And they're complaining... why?


They are free to invest elsewhere if they wish. No one's twisting their arms here. You invest in a company based on their practices and the likelihood of those practices netting you an increase in share value. Trying to micro manage the company's business is probably a mistake. If the Union folks were better with money than the Goldman folks, the investment would be going the other way around, wouldn't it?
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#9 Jan 08 2010 at 8:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Dump their stock hell, the controlling share holders should call an emergency board meeting and have these people justify what the fUCk they're doing.

Who do you think the controlling shareholders are?

It sounds to me (and I'm speaking totally out of my *** here so I'm probably wrong) that they took the bailout money, rolled it into their net worth, then paid half of that total back to themselves ("bonuses and other compensation") instead of using most of that money for investment purposes. Then they paid back the bailout money, said "Ok, we're all even now" called it quits and went home.
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#10 Jan 08 2010 at 9:21 PM Rating: Good
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It sounds to me (and I'm speaking totally out of my *** here so I'm probably wrong) that they took the bailout money, rolled it into their net worth, then paid half of that total back to themselves ("bonuses and other compensation") instead of using most of that money for investment purposes. Then they paid back the bailout money, said "Ok, we're all even now" called it quits and went home.


Sure. Because half of $10 Billion equals $17 Billion. And they had enough left over to pay back the $10 Billion they borrowed...

Math is hard!
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#11 Jan 08 2010 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Debalic wrote:
It sounds to me (and I'm speaking totally out of my *** here so I'm probably wrong) that they took the bailout money, rolled it into their net worth, then paid half of that total back to themselves ("bonuses and other compensation") instead of using most of that money for investment purposes. Then they paid back the bailout money, said "Ok, we're all even now" called it quits and went home.


Sure. Because half of $10 Billion equals $17 Billion. And they had enough left over to pay back the $10 Billion they borrowed...

Math is hard!

Obviously they had revenue before the bailout, genius.
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#12 Jan 08 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
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Goldman is good enough not to require illegal activity, as that would entail unnecessary risk. Goldman does not like risk. Besides, in general Goldman can manipulate the legislative system in order to make the useful pathways not technically illegal.

They also enjoy playing Smasharoo poker, but with even less risk.

This case isn't really much more than hand-wringing that they aren't on the front end of this gravy train.
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