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I never said I disagreed with it now. I'm just laughing at how often you fall back on "The LIBERALS made him do it!!" as an excuse.


Well, golly, you said so so it must be certain!

It's not about that though. I don't care why he did it. It's about what he did, and the underlying principles represented by that action. Whenever Bush did something which liberals liked and conservatives didn't like, it turned out to be a bad idea. Which should speak volumes about the respective ideologies.

What's astounding to me is that you keep pointing to actions taken by Bush that were dumb ideas or which worked out poorly, laughing about his "mistake", yet seem unaware that these ideas consistently are ones you agreed with and/or supported. One should begin to question whether the ideas he supports are good ones and perhaps re-assess his political leanings at that point, but you have apparently decided that politics are about the people and not the ideas.


I happen to disagree. It's not about the people. I don't care about Bush. I care about conservative principles. Sometimes Bush followed those principles, and sometimes he didn't. Just as most politicians tend to take a set of mixed actions. That's not shocking or surprising. It's political reality. What's relevant is that we should look at the types of actions and which ones worked and which ones didn't, and use that data to decide what sorts of future actions to support. I do this. You apparently don't...

It's not about the person Joph. I just said that several times, and you still don't get it.

Anna presumably posted the whole "But Bush helped poor minority folks get homes" in response to my statement that this sort of thing representing mistaken liberal "cart before the horse" mentality. I'm not sure how or why she thinks that because Bush did something like this that it changes the fact that this is a "liberal" idea, and a "dumb" idea.


I'm also completely unclear what point you think you're making. I'm looking at the ideological basis for an action, not what party the person doing it belongs to. Do you really think that because Bush did something which the left agrees with that someone who doesn't agree with that sort of thing will somehow excuse it? I honestly don't get what sort of logic you're trying to use here...


My point is that this sort of action is almost always a bad idea. Period. Doesn't matter who does it. You, on the other hand, are so caught up with the letter after a politicians name, that you can't see anything else at all. It's like all you care about is finding anything you can to make a politician with an (R) after his name look foolish. Which, as I've stated before, is really funny when the foolish thing he did was something which you agree with. I don't know what you're thinking when you attack someone for doing exactly what you wanted them to do. It doesn't make him look dumb. It makes you look dumb.

Where? Out at bars? Watercooler chat? Because here, you take positions on issues based on opposing the popular consensus.

No, it wasn't. It's hilarious how you don't understand this.

It was a crack at you and Varrus and Thief and everyone else who runs to some "But.. but... but... the Democrats MADE them do it!!!" response when someone points out a Republican doing something dumb or contrary to what you profess a true conservative will always do. You guys do it so often that it's a running joke. Hell, throughout the Christmas bombing thread, your sole excuse for the Bush administration doing a shit-*** job of deciding who to release and who to send where was nothing but a constant plaintive cry of "The Deeemmmmooocratssss maaaaaadddeee hiiiiiimm!!!! ". But it's not just that one topic, it's a constant joke of how the Republicans must be the biggest pussies on the planet because whether they're the majority party or the minority, whether they're in or out of the White House, if a Republican has done something "wrong"... not their fault! A liberal made him do it!

Hey, if you want to drop the constant "A liberal made him!" line and start replacing it with "Yes, that Republican sure did something stupid", that's great. Until then, the "Party of personal responsibility" mockery fits like a glove.

Edited, Jan 5th 2010 7:04pm by Jophiel

Joph. I don't freaking care why Bush proposed that. I really don't. You're the one hung up on it. You're the one who made a big deal about an assumed response from me. Get over yourself!

I'm supposed to be all "Rawr! Bush proposed something I don't like! Bad Bad Bush!!!". Seriously? Oh no! He proposed something that the Democrats wanted. It didn't go through (far as I know). And those Dems didn't get what they wanted. How is that something I should care about?


None of this changes the fact that you support dumb policies while I oppose them. I think we should focus on this instead of some imagined argument going on inside your own head about what I might have said about something Bush might have done. Cause see. One has to do with actual ideas and assessments of those ideas, while the other is just some bizarre neurosis-induced rant on your part.

Christ, you're oblivious.