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Christian Ex-Lesbian "Kidnaps" own Kid over Custody DisputeFollow

#1 Jan 02 2010 at 1:36 AM Rating: Good
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; Two lesbians, Lisa Miller and Janet Jenkins, got married in Vermont back in 2000. In 2002, Lisa Miller gave birth to their daughter, Isabella, of which Janet Jenkins is one of the two legally recognized parents. In 2003, they got civil-divorced. Afterwords, Janet Jenkin remained in Vermont with visitation rights while Lisa Miller moved to Virginia. While in Virginia, Lisa Miller got over being gay & became a born again christian. Sometime after this, Miller stopped allowing Jenkins her visitation rights. After finding Miller in contempt of court earlier this year for denying Jenkins access to Isabella, the Judge decided the only way to ensure the child equal access to both parents was to switch custody and he issued an order requiring the transfer be made by Jan. 1, 2010. Miller did not do this & it is believed she may have fled the country, possibly with the aid of some Christian Fundy Friends with Isabella. Jenkins has since filed a missing persons report.

Now why won't Miller allow Jenkins to see their Daughter? Let's check out Protect Isabella to find out.

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She sought to protect her daughter from what, in her view, was a harmful environment. It's not as though Lisa didn't know what the lesbian world was like. Even the briefest vision of what Isabella could be exposed to with Janet and other live-in lesbian lovers was all she needed to contemplate. Her Christian faith simply would not permit her to send this innocent lamb into what she viewed as a wolves' den.


So, you have the law on the side of Jenkins (Although if Miller would have allowed visitations, this would be moot) whom is the lesbian "father" of Isabella, while you have "God" & Christians on the side of Miller.

So who's going to win? Legally, it appears pretty cut & dry. However, morally it's a bit iffy. Despite the fact I disagree with Miller's methods (She essentially taught, or allowed others to teach, her daughter to dislike her gay mother or find her evil because of her faith & has since kidnapped Isabella), Miller is Isabella's biological mother & has raised her almost all her life. Besides the Christian fundamentalism, Miller's probably a good parent. Should the courts send Isabella to live with a virtual stranger?

Who Should Get Custody of Isabella?
Lisa Miller: Ex-Lesbian Biological Mother Christian Fundy & Kidnapper :6 (15.8%)
Janet Jenkins: Lesbian & Legal Parent:30 (78.9%)
Let Isasbella Decide (She chooses Miller, because of her Faith/Brainwashing :2 (5.3%)
Total:38







Edited, Jan 2nd 2010 2:43am by Omegavegeta
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#2 Jan 02 2010 at 1:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Omegavegeta wrote:

So who's going to win? Legally, it appears pretty cut & dry. However, morally it's a bit iffy. Despite the fact I disagree with Miller's methods (She essentially taught, or allowed others to teach, her daughter to dislike her gay mother or find her evil because of her faith & has since kidnapped Isabella), Miller is Isabella's biological mother & has raised her almost all her life. Besides the Christian fundamentalism, Miller's probably a good parent. Should the courts send Isabella to live with a virtual stranger?


Would this even be a discussion if Jenkins had provided the sperm, rather than just being the lesbian "other mother?" She's the child's other parent. She has rights. End of story.


Edited, Jan 1st 2010 11:47pm by Ambrya
#3 Jan 02 2010 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
Jenkins has the legal rights in Vermont, but Virginia doesn't recognize Same Sex marriage/Civil Unions...



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#4 Jan 02 2010 at 2:05 AM Rating: Good
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Jenkins has the legal rights in Vermont, but Virginia doesn't recognize Same Sex marriage/Civil Unions...





It doesn't matter, or at least it shouldn't. If Jenkins were male and listed on the birth certificate, she would be granted all the rights of a biological parent, regardless of marital status.
#5 Jan 02 2010 at 10:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I said Jenkins solely because as Parent B, she was denied her legal visitation from Parent A and this a judgment was made to switch custody. The gender, religion and sexual preference of the two parties in a sense doesn't matter except to add meat and flavor to the bones of the case.
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#6 Jan 02 2010 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Jenkins has the legal rights in Vermont, but Virginia doesn't recognize Same Sex marriage/Civil Unions...

This is a custody dispute though which is different from a marriage dispute. I'm not sure how interstate law is handled regarding children of homosexual partners though and if it's significantly different than between heterosexual partners.
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#7 Jan 02 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why, Gbaji assures us that a soundly written contract offers full protection.
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#8 Jan 02 2010 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is one of two threads today that just illustrate how divisive and moronic religion is.
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#9 Jan 02 2010 at 12:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is one of two threads today that just illustrate how divisive and moronic religion is.


This. I laughed at the: "While in Virginia, Lisa Miller got over being gay & became a born again christian."

The child goes to Jenkins, shouldn't even be a question.
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#10 Jan 02 2010 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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I think the fact that the kid was probably less than a year old when they split should factor in there somewhere, but overall it's a weird situation that will be interesting to see how it turns out.
#11 Jan 02 2010 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I read through some of the court decisions to get a better view on the case and this has went on for a long while. This is just the most recent appeal that has led to the custody decision. There are too many opinions to consider on both sides and too many what ifs for me to say it goes to Miller and Jenkins especially when you consider the PKPA involved with Miller's move back to Virginia after their separation as my thoughts related to my choice would have been based off of involvement in the child's life and financial support.

From all my reading, my view on this is that both the Gay and Christian groups that are pushing their selfish agendas need to step back and look at the child as the focus and not a pawn as she seems to be treated. Legally, Jenkins should have custody, but I don't care about legality when a child is involved. What's best for them should be the only thing considered.
#12 Jan 02 2010 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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I predict the plot will thicken when the sperm-giving bio-dad seeks notoriety too.
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#13 Jan 02 2010 at 8:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Yikes, I remember reading an article on this years ago about when a "good" homosexual relationship goes "bad." Crazy to think it is still going on!
#14 Jan 02 2010 at 10:52 PM Rating: Decent
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What's best for them (the child) should be the only thing considered.


Agreed. So what's best? The child doesn't like or really know Jenkins (as Miller/Christian Fundamentalism has taught her) & in the eyes of the law, Miller's been found in contempt multiple times & now is a kidnapper in the eyes of the law.

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#15 Jan 02 2010 at 11:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I have to post because this case seems so entirely ridiculous. I voted for Jenkins because, well....it is correct. Miller needs to realize that a lesbians home is not the 'wolves den.' Just because her Christian god deems homosexuality wrong doesn't mean she can simply deny Jenkins the right to love and spend time with Isabella.

Another thing that is fueling some hatred, from me anyway is the websites that were linked. The 'Protect Isabella Coalition'? The things that they say in this site and the site's 'evidence' are just downright offensive. I will bold some parts that I particularly found troublesome.

Protect Isabella Coalition. I visited this page out of curiosity. Their FAQ caught my eye as I read the common questions, and came upon 'Don't children fare much better in homes with a married mother and father than in same-sex parented arrangements?' I clicked this. Here is their article for this question -

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The short answer is yes. No substantive social science research so far has convincingly shown that children raised in same-sex parented homes are as healthy and well-adjusted as children raised in homes with a mom and a dad. In fact, the "studies" that some of the major mental health and medical guild organizations have been pressured by activists to say claim otherwise have used flawed methodology (READ MORE). Glenn Stanton, co-author of "Marriage on Trial: The Case Against Same-Sex Marriage and Parenting," also points out some of the flaws in pro-gay-parenting philosophy in this brief video clip (WATCH NOW).

You'd think it would be a no-brainer that children need both a mother and a father to model proper gender socialization for them. Moms and dads have different but vital roles in child-rearing. Men and women are not interchangeable. Children are neither tokens to be collected at the whim of selfish adults nor notches in the belts of social activists.

It is interesting to note that the good news claimed by those advocating gay marriages and civil unions is no better than the bad news about single-parented families. The same problems that tend to plague one-parent children (low grades, behavioral and mental health issues, promiscuity and teen pregnancy, substance abuse, etc.) also exist in same-sex parented families. Same-sex "marriages" and civil unions are still a relatively new cultural phenomenon, and much more social science data is needed to yield undisputed results. Common sense should dictate that we don't heap more chaos on top of an already chaotic situation.

Marriage has always been about protecting the welfare of children and giving them a safe, wholesome environment in which to be reared. When it ceases to focus on children and instead focuses on the selfish (childish) wants of adults, we have a big problem. It is not about lust and self-gratification. It's about selfless love.

Lesbian relationships are not the rosy panacea some would paint them to be. Not only is lesbian domestic abuse more prevalent than supposed (READ MORE), but we also are seeing more and more cases where child custody and visitation are being hashed out in the courts when these unions go sour. And they do go sour more than gay marriage advocates want to admit. (Female bisexuality has become the latest en vogue social experiment. We have chosen not to link to articles or Web sites that push female bisexuality as we find them highly offensive. There is even at least one "Christian" site.)

Fertility clinics and doctors bear their share of responsibility, too, since they are baby-makers for hire to more and more gay couples and single women. The callousness of this practice has been brought to light by the recent bizarre case in California of a single mother of six, already on welfare, giving birth to octuplets with multiple health issues with help from a fertility clinic.


Two of those quotes were right next to eachother. The first one, the first bolded sentence, doesn't seem like anything useful. All children do stupid ****. Second, the same-sex "marriages" part. They exist. They are legal in several states. And finally, homosexuals are not more selfish than any other kind of person.

The first (READ MORE) link leads to this. Once again, downright offensive. About 1/3 down that page, I come across this (A snippet) -

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(a) Sexual Infidelity: Homosexual couples regard sex as recreational without emotional content, and regard freedom to sexually engage others as one of the most important factors in maintaining their bond.


I'm left asking "What the ****?" I knew homosexuals were not approved of, but regarding them in the way these sites/articles do is just wrong. The part in the above quote about homosexuals having sex without emotions...do these people simply think that homosexuals are worse people?
#16 Jan 02 2010 at 11:36 PM Rating: Decent
Jenkins was already awarded custody through the court order. The child, when found, should be returned to Jenkins per that court order.

What Miller is teaching her daughter is no different than teaching a white child to hate black/brown/yellow people, but as far as I know, that's not illegal, so legally speaking, it's irrelevant, all else being equal.
#17REDACTED, Posted: Jan 02 2010 at 11:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Fixed.
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(a) Sexual Infidelity: Homosexual couples Men in positions of power regard sex as recreational without emotional content and their God-given right, and regard freedom to sexually engage others as one of the most important factors in maintaining their bond ego.


Fixed.

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#19 Jan 03 2010 at 12:01 AM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
This is one of two threads today that just illustrate how divisive and moronic religion is.
People are divisive and moronic, and they'll use any excuse, religion or no.

People in general take the responsibility of parenthood way too lightly. When you choose to make a child with someone, that links you for life. You can either whine, *****, ignore, withhold or evade,which makes you an immature fuck regardless of sexual preference or religious bent, or put on your big boy/girl panties and negotiate a respectful relationship to the best of your abilities with your co-parent, which is what your child needs both developmentally and as an example.

Lisa Miller needs to turn over that kid as per the court order, face the consequences of her actions, and grow the fuck up.
#20 Jan 04 2010 at 8:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Protect Isabella wrote:
They cannot even prove they are an immutable "suspect class," as racial minorities are


Ahahaha...

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A number of Lisa's supporters, like her, have been delivered from their own past struggle with homosexuality. Because they understand this bondage from the inside out, they want to see a redemptive hand at work in the lives of those who are battling unwanted same-sex attraction or who actively identify as homosexuals. This is love in action -- Christ-like compassion. It is certainly not gay-bashing.


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Edited, Jan 4th 2010 9:54am by Ninomori
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#22 Jan 04 2010 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Homosexuals can't choose to make a child.


Of course they can.
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#23 Jan 04 2010 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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Homosexuals can't choose to make a child.


False.
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#24REDACTED, Posted: Jan 04 2010 at 9:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
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...But you were replying to someone who had said, and you quote:
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When you choose to make a child with someone


So how is
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Homosexuals can't procreate with one another.


a rebuttal?
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#26 Jan 04 2010 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samy,

Ok let me re-phrase. Homosexuals can't procreate with one another.



A lot of heterosexuals can't either, for a variety of reasons. What is your point?

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