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#1 Jan 02 2010 at 12:11 AM Rating: Good
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Apparently last December was the 1st month of the Iraq war without a US combat death.

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BAGHDAD – December was the first month since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq nearly seven years ago in which no U.S. forces died in combat in the country.

Gen. Ray Odierno called it a significant milestone and said it speaks to how the violence in Iraq has diminished. Odierno is the commanding general in Iraq.

There were three U.S. troops who died in December as a result of non-combat related incidents.

According to an Associated Press count, 149 U.S. troops died in Iraq in 2009. That includes combat-related deaths and those not related to fighting.

That's the lowest number of U.S. deaths for a year since the Iraq war began in 2003.


I'm just going to leave this here for pubes, I'm curious as to what his response will be.
#2 Jan 02 2010 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
No, this is clearly the result of W's surge.
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#3 Jan 02 2010 at 1:30 AM Rating: Good
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Finally we're making progress.
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#4 Jan 02 2010 at 1:35 AM Rating: Good
The more relevant statistic, I think, is that the civlian death count was approx halved from 2008 to 2009. Fewer military casualties could easily be written off as a sign of decreasing US military presence.
#5 Jan 02 2010 at 2:50 AM Rating: Good
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No, this is clearly the result of W's surge.
No, this is clearly a sign that the terrorists are winning.

(I'm sticking to that being his response, because he hates our troops and is a terrorist.)
#6 Jan 02 2010 at 9:55 AM Rating: Default
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Wow are you guys so desperate to give Obama some kind of Victory that you will actually claim this is the result of something he did?

Combat deaths in Iraq have been steadily declining for more than a year and long before Barry got into office and yes it is due in large part to the surge. The same surge Obama said would not work.
#7 Jan 02 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
Naw, it couldn't be that Iraqis don't hate Obama as much as they hated Bush.

Just couldn't be.
#8ThiefX, Posted: Jan 02 2010 at 11:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well since combat deaths have steadily continued to decline since the surge your right it couldn't be what you said.
#9 Jan 02 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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Wow are you guys so desperate to give Obama some kind of Victory that you will actually claim this is the result of something he did?

Combat deaths in Iraq have been steadily declining for more than a year and long before Barry got into office and yes it is due in large part to the surge. The same surge Obama said would not work.



When things go wrong, you and pubes tend to blame Obama, so why can't you blame him when things are OK, too?
#10 Jan 02 2010 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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Naw, it couldn't be that Iraqis don't hate Obama as much as they hated Bush.

Just couldn't be.
Seriously? You think no deaths are a result of people not hating Obama as much as Bush? Say that out loud and see how ridiculous it sounds.

Does Obama being a smoker make you hate smokers less?
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Does Obama being a smoker make you hate smokers less?
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#14 Jan 04 2010 at 10:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Specifically what Obama policies might have contributed to this decline and duplicating such policies.


Well, he's not a total asѕhole to other nations, to start. That's pretty easy for someone to emulate.

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#16 Jan 04 2010 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, he's not a total asѕhole to other nations


If you don't know you can say so.


Actually, this is a legitimate point. One of the main causes of the Islamic insurgency is continued aggression and interference from the West in Middle Eastern affairs. When we put a rational, understanding black man in the White House who says we will stop our policies of bombing brown people, then it does go a long way towards easing their hatred. They just want to be left alone. And since we invaded and occupied under questionable, at best, pretexts, helping them rebuild and buggering out is the best course of action.
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#17 Jan 04 2010 at 1:23 PM Rating: Default
Debo,

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When we put a rational, understanding black man in the White House who says we will stop our policies of bombing brown people,


What does "black" have to do with anything? If this is an issue with those in the ME perhaps they're the one exhibiting racist tendencies. I mean we all know how much they love being right beside Israel.


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White House who says we will stop our policies of bombing brown people,


Remind me again; didn't Obama just approve of how many 10's of thousands of White American Military men going over to Afghanistan?

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They just want to be left alone.


God you're stupid. They just want to be left alone so they can militantly spread their own version of Islam.

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And since we invaded and occupied under questionable, at best, pretexts, helping them rebuild and buggering out is the best course of action.


You mean liberated? And no it was not questionable circumstances. Saddam broke the ceasefire. There's no question about it.




#18 Jan 04 2010 at 1:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Debo,

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When we put a rational, understanding black man in the White House who says we will stop our policies of bombing brown people,


What does "black" have to do with anything? If this is an issue with those in the ME perhaps they're the one exhibiting racist tendencies. I mean we all know how much they love being right beside Israel.


Odd, I thought they hated Israel because of its aggressive tendencies, imperialistic movements in the region, and their widespread and undisguised hatred of the Palestinian people. It must be because they're not as tan, though!


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White House who says we will stop our policies of bombing brown people,


Remind me again; didn't Obama just approve of how many 10's of thousands of White American Military men going over to Afghanistan?


Yup, and the world at large is behind THAT war. It was Iraq that really fucked over America's reputation in the international stage.

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They just want to be left alone.


God you're stupid. They just want to be left alone so they can militantly spread their own version of Islam.

Funny you mention this, because this is exactly what my pastor said good Christians should do. Select quotes included "we are in a war, a war which Christ must win," "Christianity should be spread like a helpful varusvirus," and "You can only be a good Christian by spreading your faith to others; failing to do so means you're failing Christ."

And I go to a modern church, haha! At least they have good music.

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And since we invaded and occupied under questionable, at best, pretexts, helping them rebuild and buggering out is the best course of action.


You mean liberated? And no it was not questionable circumstances. Saddam broke the ceasefire. There's no question about it.


I find your revision of history interesting. I seem to recall the US shouting we know they have WMDs, the world saying "give them more time, they're no threat to us right now," and the US going in anyway and then finding out that, oh, j/k on the WMDs, we lied. I missed where Saddam broke the ceasefire this time, although I believe he was slowing inspections. And no, I don't care for your rebuttal on this; you've stated your thoughts quite clearly. I'm just amused to see how reality varies. Must be based on our information sources.
#19 Jan 04 2010 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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What does "black" have to do with anything? If this is an issue with those in the ME perhaps they're the one exhibiting racist tendencies. I mean we all know how much they love being right beside Israel.

Who refuses to let Palestinians peacefully settle their own lands.

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Remind me again; didn't Obama just approve of how many 10's of thousands of White American Military men going over to Afghanistan?

To find bin Laden and dismantle al'Qaeda and the Taliban. You know, what Bush's **** completely failed to do.

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God you're stupid. They just want to be left alone so they can militantly spread their own version of Islam.

So the response is to militantly enforce Western democracy?

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You mean liberated? And no it was not questionable circumstances. Saddam broke the ceasefire. There's no question about it.

By not having the WMDs that we were told they didn't have?

The fact is, the Iraq invasion was a ****-up that was pushed by the most Mr. Fantastic-like stretch of credulity.
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#22 Jan 04 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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The fact is, the Iraq invasion was a ****-up that was pushed by the most Mr. Fantastic-like stretch of credulity.


The Iraq invasion was result of Saddam refusing to follow the requirements of the ceasefire. Had 911 not happened W would probably have gone the sanctions route but having just lost over 3k americans to terrorists W wasn't willing to play games with Saddam, which was a good thing.
Two unconnected event varus. Also I thought you guys went into Iraq because they had WMD's.
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#23 Jan 04 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Palestinians aren't Saudis, or Iraqis, or Jordanians. They're Palestinians.

It falls to us to find and punish the perpetrators of 9/11, al Qaeda, who were harbored in and supported by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and demonstrably had no WMD or delivery systems.



I wonder how many different ways I can write "al'Quaeda" in this thread
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#24 Jan 04 2010 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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]Two unconnected event varus. Also I thought you guys went into Iraq because they had WMD's.

No, apparently that was just a convenient lie they told to the American people. As was the terrorist connection. The real motivation behind the Iraqi invasion was the Bush family legacy oil to help liberate the Iraqi population.

I think that's varus' line now, but it's hard to keep track.
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#25 Jan 04 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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I'm just amused to see how reality varies. Must be based on our information sources.


Reality? Is that what your feeble mind is using to justify your warped beliefs?
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So you're saying my statement on how the war in Iraq began are wrong? 'Cause, uh, that's what you're responding to. Please, let me know if it was otherwise... oh wait, you did. And that's not how I remember it, nor how it was reported, or how we think of the war starting today. Again, you must be getting your information from different sources... especially as then you go into a rant about radical islam, which had squat to do with the Iraq War.
#26 Jan 04 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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... the world saying "give them more time, they're no threat to us right now," ...


Hahahahah... Sorry. This quote perfectly encapsulates the silliness of the "don't invade Iraq" side of the issue, but probably not in the way you meant.
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