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You're doing an awful lot of spinning and avoiding here. Are you afraid to address the very real fact that this attack -- this "hijacking" which by your own admission is exactly like 9/11 -- was the direct result of Bush releasing terrorists with a box of crayons and telling them to be good?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
publiusvarus wrote:
Tulip,
Glad to hear some liberal, any liberal, say this.
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It wasn't Clinton's fault, and it wasn't Bush's fault.
Glad to hear some liberal, any liberal, say this.
Anytime. Since we all know you won't every say anything even remotely close to it about any Democrat. Someone's got to be sane.
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One program gives the former detainees paints and crayons as part of the rehabilitation regimen.
Seriously?
Come on... crayons? That's extremely childish. There are so many more adult ways to promote arts in a rehabilitation programs than crayons. No wonder they joined up with Al Qaeda.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Interestingly enough, so countries do, in fact, have US nationals working security for international flights into the US. I had to talk to some 'Mericans before boarding planes in Mexico and South Korea.
You mean trying 4 of them in a court, while trying the other large majority in military commissions per the Bush/Cheney doctrine?
And why don't they have coloring books and fingerpaints at Gitmo?!
Jophiel wrote:
Rather than Obama's risky plan to try these guys in a court and incarcerate them in maximum security prisons, we should go with the Bush/Cheney plan of releasing them with a backpack full of fingerpaints and coloring books.
You mean trying 4 of them in a court, while trying the other large majority in military commissions per the Bush/Cheney doctrine?
And why don't they have coloring books and fingerpaints at Gitmo?!
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Demea wrote:
You mean trying 4 of them in a court, while trying the other large majority in military commissions per the Bush/Cheney doctrine?
Careful how you say "Bush Doctrine". You might confuse some governors.
I was intentionally simplifying since it's the "OMGCOURTS!!!" thing that certain Pubbie latch on to.
Personally, for as many times as people have tried to use the "X number of released detainees are fighting against the US!" line as a reason not to release people, I'd say it shows serious gaps and flaws in how we were handling the entire situation for the last eight years. Everything from who we picked up to how we imprisoned them to how we collected evidence on them to how we decided who stays and who goes. How some people cite the number of dangerous released detainees from one corner of their mouth and then insist on keeping the status quo in Gitmo out of the other corner is baffling to me.
I'll note that the military tribunal/commission system is under review under the new administration and expected to undergo some significant changes.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
...I'd say it shows serious gaps and flaws in how we were handling the entire situation for the last eight years. Everything from who we picked up to how we imprisoned them to how we collected evidence on them to how we decided who stays and who goes.
gbaji wrote:
Y'know what'll help us fix all that? Presenting all of that information as evidence in public trials where the terrorists can take notes.
I am Nostradamus!
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Demea wrote:
I am Nostradamus!
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Evidence doesn't have to be made publicly available if there's sufficient reason for keeping it locked up. Court records and evidence get sealed on a fairly regular basis.
publiusvarus wrote:
blah blah blah
Is there a reason why you're still afraid to address the fact that the Bush administration released the masterminds behind a plot that you claim was equal to 9/11?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
publiusvarus wrote:
Didn't the Saudis release the guy?
Only if you want to call fingerpainting "having" the guys. And how did the Saudis get the guy? Daring midnight raid on Gitmo? I don't think so, sport.
This is fun, though. I could spend another couple rounds of watching you frantically try to deny that Bush released captured terrorists who would mastermind the next 9/11.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
publiusvarus wrote:
Jophiel,
And by maximum security you mean the South Pacific island of Palau.
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There ya go. Rather than Obama's risky plan to try these guys in a court and incarcerate them in maximum security prisons
And by maximum security you mean the South Pacific island of Palau.
Never expected to see varus admit that Bush released the perpetrators of the next 9/11.
Don't make the mistake of making your outrage inconsistent and entirely partisan.
Don't make the mistake of making your outrage inconsistent and entirely partisan.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
publiusvarus wrote:
W sends them over there to be harshly interrogated
No, he sent them there so they could get crayons. The administration knew what the program was. Bush had the same program going in Yemen but it was finally stopped because all it did was add to the number of al'Qaeda there.
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A similar rehabilitation program in Yemen was stopped because so many of the detainees quickly joined with al Qaeda or its affiliates, the official said.
"Sent them to be harshly interrogated..."
Ah, you're so naive and starry-eyed.Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
publiusvarus wrote:
If I were you I wouldn't post any links either.
I linked to the story earlier. Not my fault you're illiterate
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
With the only chance at escape being to swim thousands of miles across the Pacific? Makes sense to me.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
publiusvarus wrote:
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I have no problem with sticking them on an island in the South Pacific
Have you ever been to the south pacific? It's arguably the most beautiful place in the world and you want to give terrorists an entire island there.
Good point. Let's keep sending them to those awful Caribbean islands. Those places are like God's **** according to the tourism brochures.
Edit: Uh oh... Gbaji's up there. Incoming 16 paragraphs defending Bush/Cheney and how they're so awesome and everything they do is right and if anything they do is wrong it's all the fault of LIBERALS!!!!
Edited, Dec 29th 2009 4:12pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
publiusvarus wrote:
bsphil,
I never said that. I did say there are similarities and that you don't discount the act simply because it failed.
p.s. Every time you liberals use the words "suicide bombers" you're being deceptive. Someone who kills only themselves commits suicide. Someone who actively trys to kill others and happens to kill themselves is a homicide.
You people love changing definitions to suit whatever need you want.
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Never expected to see varus admit that Bush released the perpetrators of the next 9/11.
I never said that. I did say there are similarities and that you don't discount the act simply because it failed.
p.s. Every time you liberals use the words "suicide bombers" you're being deceptive. Someone who kills only themselves commits suicide. Someone who actively trys to kill others and happens to kill themselves is a homicide.
You people love changing definitions to suit whatever need you want.
A suicide bomber, by definition, is someone who intentionally kills themself with a bomb with the intent on killing others. Hence the words "suicide" and "bomb".
Someone who actively tries to kill others and happens to kill themself (presumably by accident) is an "idiot".
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
publiusvarus wrote:
p.s. Every time you liberals use the words "suicide bombers" you're being deceptive. Someone who kills only themselves commits suicide. Someone who actively trys to kill others and happens to kill themselves is a homicide.
You people love changing definitions to suit whatever need you want.
You people love changing definitions to suit whatever need you want.
Try looking words up in a dictionary before you try to get all high and mighty there, genius.
Jophiel wrote:
Good point. Let's keep sending them to those awful Caribbean islands. Those places are like God's **** according to the tourism brochures.
I almost said something along the lines of "Let's send them to some god-awful third world country, like Cuba" but luckily caught myself.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
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