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#27 Dec 23 2009 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ok, but it still makes a compelling story. Sell your complaints to Hollywood. Don't blame democrats for Hollywood's issues.


Democrats and Hollywood have a symbiotic relationship. What's compelling about the story? Evil company attempts to take land from peaceful indigenous peoples who find a leader in a traitor to the corporation. With the help of said leader they beat the evil company and force them to leave. Sound about right? Now what is compelling, or original for that matter, about this story?


EVERY review I've seen has said the same thing: It's Dances with Wolves (in Space!). The story is just a new twist on the other movie's plot. And know what? NO ONE is saying jack about the story, because the compelling part of the movie is the amazing graphics.

Jesus, you'd think you went to see a Michael Moore film. The only person who said it isn't original is you... because no one else was arguing that. Nice strawman, slick!
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#28 Dec 23 2009 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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You never see movies about corporations helping the community and the people who reside in it.
Okay, give an example of this happening. Bear in mind, there has to be some dramatic tension to make it a compelling story.

Exxon Employee training videos?
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#29 Dec 23 2009 at 10:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sheesh, I thought this movie would just right for Var-***. White dudes "save" the natives....perfect!
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Varrus is actually right, in a way. I don't agree that the primary goal of the movie was to promote a viewpoint, but I do agree that if a movie has a viewpoint, that wasn't accidental. I mean, at the very least, it's the views of the writer coming through in the storyline. That's a point that shouldn't be argued against, even if it's varrus making it.
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I haven't seen it yet, but the little I've heard also reminds me of On Deadly Ground.
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The message of the movie is basically you shouldn't exploit people. Are you against that message Varrus?
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Naive to thing the primary goal of an entertainment venture is to make money?


No it's naive to think this movie doesn't have a political agenda. What with all the nonsense about global warming and copenhagen I'm sure it's just coincidence <end sarcasm>.


yes, how dare they have a discussion on global warming! they should have known this movie was coming out and waited!
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Varrus is actually right, in a way. I don't agree that the primary goal of the movie was to promote a viewpoint, but I do agree that if a movie has a viewpoint, that wasn't accidental. I mean, at the very least, it's the views of the writer coming through in the storyline. That's a point that shouldn't be argued against, even if it's varrus making it.


Varrus is right in the same way that his sentences make sense because they can be strung together correctly. He's wrong in the same way that thinking his sentences are accurate is the truth.
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The message of the movie is basically you shouldn't exploit people. Are you against that message Varrus?


I'm against anything in which the phrase "mother planet(or earth)" is used.
You should start saying "I'm agin it." Could you please start saying "I'm agin it?"
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Otherwise the guys using bows would be utterly outclassed by the the guys with high caliber assault weapons, Mech suits, tactical missile systems and genetic macro-engineering.

You'd be surprised at what you can do with a couple vine nets, catapults and deadfall traps. Just ask the Ewoks!
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The message of the movie is basically you shouldn't exploit people. Are you against that message Varrus?


I'm against anything in which the phrase "mother planet(or earth)" is used.

In fact weren't the natives exploiting nature for their own benefit?
Exploiting nature and exploiting people are the same thing?
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Exploiting nature and exploiting people are the same thing?


How were the natives exploited in this movie? They were asked to leave. They didn't so the military tried to make them. What gave the natives the right to claim ownership over the place they called home? Is this determined by the first come first served rule? Or is it determined by who's going to treat the environment best? And how does one determine what's the best way to treat the environment?

So many questions.
So you're saying the natives didn't have any right to live where they lived and should just have packed up and left because the new people had big guns?
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You'd be surprised at what you can do with a couple vine nets, catapults and deadfall traps. Just ask the Ewoks!


Did I fail to mention bioengineering and missile technology?

You can't outrun virus bombs.
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Exploiting nature and exploiting people are the same thing?


How were the natives exploited in this movie? They were asked to leave. They didn't so the military tried to make them. What gave the natives the right to claim ownership over the place they called home? Is this determined by the first come first served rule? Or is it determined by who's going to treat the environment best? And how does one determine what's the best way to treat the environment?

So many questions.
So you're saying the natives didn't have any right to live where they lived and should just have packed up and left because the new people had big guns?

but then later they will allow the natives to build casinos to make up for it.
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I think we need more movies like Time bandits, The Labyrinth, Primer, Pulp fiction, and Yojimbo.


Clearly The Labyrinth was drawing connections with child labor/Kathy Lee Gifford and Bowie's goblin minions. Those poor, poor cannon goblins.

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How were the natives exploited in this movie? They were asked to leave. They didn't so the military tried to make them. What gave the natives the right to claim ownership over the place they called home? Is this determined by the first come first served rule? Or is it determined by who's going to treat the environment best?

So many questions.


So if an advanced foreign power came to your home and tried to take it over, you would be ok with it? They wouldn't have to recognize any sort of ownership rights you have simply because they have bigger guns than you do. Doesn't it sound a bit like bullying on a more epic scale?
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Is there anything you've ever done in your life outside of okra farming that you DON'T polarize into liberal and conservative?
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#50 Dec 23 2009 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Is there anything you've ever done in your life outside of okra farming that you DON'T polarize into liberal and conservative?
Silly bsphil, farming okra is conservative.
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