The majority of things listed as "pre-existing conditions" are rolls of the genetic dice.
Yeah sure, it's my fault my father was a diabetic with heart disease. It's my fault my mother's family all dies of cancer. It's my fault I once had whooping cough. It's my fault that I was born a woman, since being a woman is more or less considered a pre-existing condition.
I have health insurance. God help me if I actually come down with something serious.
- Forums
- Cross Site
- The Asylum
- GOP Health Care Filibuster Defeated
GOP Health Care Filibuster DefeatedFollow
publiusvarus wrote:
So someone tells you you're dying and only have a few months to live and you don't think that necessitates a second opinion?
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
Where is the evidence that she's getting millions? Is that just your assumption?
Do you think she's entitled to nothing?
Do you think she's entitled to nothing?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I think she's entitled to an apology, at least, which she apparently never got.
catwho wrote:
I think she's entitled to an apology
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
I just asked because according to what I can find online, the median medical malpractice payout for emotional injury (which seems to cover this case) was about $40K. That's thousands, not millions.
Edit to correct "median" instead of "average".
Edited, Dec 22nd 2009 11:05am by Samira
Edit to correct "median" instead of "average".
Edited, Dec 22nd 2009 11:05am by Samira
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
publiusvarus wrote:
Standing by your principles is never a gamble.
It in fact was. And you lost. Big time.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
Standing by your principles is never a gamble.
It in fact was. And you lost. Big time.
Too bad they gave up on what they claimed to want in the first place.
I guess the GOP principle is "oppose the other side" regardless of their proposals.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
publiusvarus wrote:
bsphil,
What do you think? Do you think it's worth millions?
What do you think? Do you think it's worth millions?
Quote:
City officials said they would not comment on pending litigation.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
publiusvarus wrote:
Joph,
Standing by your principles is never a gamble. The GOP, in principle, are against massive social programs. We believe in ideas like personal responsibility.
Standing by your principles is never a gamble. The GOP, in principle, are against massive social programs. We believe in ideas like personal responsibility.
Seems like it is if you claim to want things, could probably get them but instead of following through you just complain, and instead get nothing.
That's the thing. It started with "We want these things," those things were offered, and then it turned to "No, this is bad no matter what!" It was a gamble that the Democrats would not compromise, and when they did, the Republicans switched to the gamble that the legislation would fail if they blocked it. It seems to have failed again.
It is without a doubt a gamble.
publiusvarus wrote:
Ambrya,
What did they offer? Can you provide a link to exactly what the GOP was offered? I could be wrong but I don't think tort reform was ever a serious consideration by the Dems.
http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare
Quote:
The Dems spent months offering the GOP everything but blow jobs and a reach-around to boot if they'd just come to the party even a little bit.
What did they offer? Can you provide a link to exactly what the GOP was offered? I could be wrong but I don't think tort reform was ever a serious consideration by the Dems.
http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare
No, really. It's adorable (well, in the Cabbage Patch Kid/"so ugly it's cute" sorta way) that you think the Boehner Amendment was an actual serious attempt to introduce real legislation.
It wasn't. It was nothing more than a pronouncement that even IF the Dems put the blowjobs and reach-arounds on the table, the Pubes would then still not be satisfied and would further demand hawt buttsecks sans lube.
This is also particularly interesting:
page 121/122 of the Amendment wrote:
23 ‘‘(8) STATE.—The term ‘State’ means the 50
24 States and includes the District of Columbia, Puerto
1 Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa,
2 and the Northern Mariana Islands.
24 States and includes the District of Columbia, Puerto
1 Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa,
2 and the Northern Mariana Islands.
For why this matters, I refer you here.
Quote:
The bill defines a “state†to include not only the 50 states that form the nation, but also includes as a ’state’, for purposes of the bill, possessions, protectorates and commonwealths of the U.S. including, Washington DC, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and the Northern Mariana Islands. (see pages 121-122 of the Boehner Bill)
Northern Mariana Islands…why does that ring a bell?
Oh yes, that would be the same Northern Mariana Islands where goods are manufactured in sweatshops owned by the Chinese yet, because it is a Commonwealth of the US, qualifies to add the “Made In The USA†label to its products.
This would be the same Northern Mariana Islands that hired Jack Abramoff to lobby on their behalf and was at the center of the scandal that that led to Abramoff’s downfall and subsequent jailing.
Does the minority leader expect any American, of any political ideology, to believe that this is a location we can trust to do its utmost to create and implement safeguards designed to protect all the citizens of the United States from the predatory practices of health insurance companies who will immediately migrate to the Islands and call them home?
Northern Mariana Islands…why does that ring a bell?
Oh yes, that would be the same Northern Mariana Islands where goods are manufactured in sweatshops owned by the Chinese yet, because it is a Commonwealth of the US, qualifies to add the “Made In The USA†label to its products.
This would be the same Northern Mariana Islands that hired Jack Abramoff to lobby on their behalf and was at the center of the scandal that that led to Abramoff’s downfall and subsequent jailing.
Does the minority leader expect any American, of any political ideology, to believe that this is a location we can trust to do its utmost to create and implement safeguards designed to protect all the citizens of the United States from the predatory practices of health insurance companies who will immediately migrate to the Islands and call them home?
So, this Amendment is either an attempt to maximize insurance industry profits by opening the door for the companies to relocate to territories where they have no obligation to obey the laws governing insurance companies in US while still selling insurance to US citizens, OR it's merely a a display of theatrics intended to disguise the fact that the GOP never has and never will have any intention of introduce true, meaningful health insurance reform. Take your pick.
Edited, Dec 22nd 2009 11:13am by Ambrya
Quote:
All the liberals plan does destroy the competition among insurance companies which will raise rates, not to mention taxes.
You realize that this competition, the price fixing and the bureaucracy that comes with it is what drove prices up in the first place.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
publiusvarus wrote:
Want to know how insurance companies maximize their profits...they insure more people.
More to the point: Insure the most people while paying out the absolute bare minimum per person you can get away with before the customer attrition rate affects your profits.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Hey, my mistake! The Baucus bill actually did address tort reform and the GOP still rejected it.
There ya go. Obstructionism: Job One!
Quote:
Medical malpractice: The legislation says Congress should consider creating state demonstration programs to evaluate alternatives to the current litigation system. Republicans had called for the creation of special malpractice courts and limits on damage awards.
There ya go. Obstructionism: Job One!
Even you aren't stupid enough to think that qualifies as actually implementing tort reform. "We'll think about it"? Really? The GOP should give up a ton of ground over "we'll think about it"? You can't possibly think that was an honest attempt at any sort of compromise Joph. It was a slap in the face designed to give idiots a talking point.
I just plain don't understand why some people are actually happy about ******** up the country they live in. Are you really that hateful?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
publiusvarus wrote:
You liberals really have to sell yourself on the lie that the GOP didn't want cooperate don't you?
Not really. We won.
It's the Republicans who desperately need to convince themselves that part of the reason why we won wasn't because they royally fucked up.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
publiusvarus wrote:
You liberals really have to sell yourself on the lie that the GOP didn't want cooperate don't you? The reality is the GOP didn't want to cooperate with this bill
No kidding?
And the full quote is actually true too. The bill doesn't help the health insurance companies, so why support it?
You just kinda proved the point, man.
gbaji wrote:
I just plain don't understand why some people are actually happy about ******** up the country they live in. Are you really that hateful?
And I just don't understand why you think reform isn't needed. Are you really that hateful?
publiusvarus wrote:
The reality is the GOP didn't want to cooperate with this bill
publiusvarus wrote:
because it's a horrible bill that does nothing to help the health insurance industry.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
LockeColeMA wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I just plain don't understand why some people are actually happy about ******** up the country they live in. Are you really that hateful?
And I just don't understand why you think reform isn't needed. Are you really that hateful?
gbaji's one of those people who think that Hitler's final solution was providing health care to the Jews.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
LockeColeMA wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I just plain don't understand why some people are actually happy about ******** up the country they live in. Are you really that hateful?
And I just don't understand why you think reform isn't needed. Are you really that hateful?
Because there's no real reform of the system here. It's just more of the same, on a larger scale, and with more government control over the people. That's what so many people just fail to get. The promises of reform are just the trick to get people to blindly support whatever Congress passes.
Can you name a single thing that this bill actually reforms? Can you name a way in which the cost for X amount of care is decreased? Can you explain how this bill will make health care actually more affordable? It doesn't. It simply shifts the cost from the consumer to the taxpayer. And in the long run, it decreases individual liberty while vastly increasing costs.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
What's so mind boggling about all of this, is that to me it's so freaking obvious. Some guy is running around handing out hand grenades disguised as lollipops. We're watching children's heads explode. Some of us point out that the lollipops are really hand grenades but get called liars and are blamed for the problem. Then, the folks blaming us insist that we should hire the guy handing out the lollipops to discover the best way to distribute safe lollipops in order to address the "heads exploding" problems.
So yeah. I don't understand the people who sit on the sidelines cheering with idiot grins on their faces as their liberties are stripped away from them in the grand cause of making health care more expensive. You're sold on the idea that since it's labeled as "free", it must really be true...
So yeah. I don't understand the people who sit on the sidelines cheering with idiot grins on their faces as their liberties are stripped away from them in the grand cause of making health care more expensive. You're sold on the idea that since it's labeled as "free", it must really be true...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
Even you aren't stupid enough to think that qualifies as actually implementing tort reform. "We'll think about it"? Really? The GOP should give up a ton of ground over "we'll think about it"?
No, the GOP should have used it as a starting point for further negotiation.
But, hey! You must be right! I mean, the GOP plan worked out just awesome, didn't it? How can anyone question results like that?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Recent Visitors: 267
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (267)
- Forums
- Cross Site
- The Asylum
- GOP Health Care Filibuster Defeated
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC