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#127 Dec 22 2009 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines. Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.
Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.
Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued


This isn't even a plan. It's a "Hey, let's list some things that sound good on paper but give no indication of how to achieve them." It's an outline. They provide no details on how to achieve anything.

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Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines.


Businesses already can. My old office was based in Georgia, but our health insurance was through United Healthcare of Connecticut.

Who is going to regulate this interstate health insurance exchange? Oh right, Congress has the power to oversee interstate commerce. (Constitution (Art. I, sec. 8)) So there we go, implementing over-state-line health insurance automatically means more government involvement. I thought Republicans were against that?

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Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.


That sounds suspiciously like approving of something that labor unions do. This is also the "co-op" suggestion made by many democrats, and shot down completely by every GOP senator during deliberations.

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Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.


What the hell does this even mean? Are we talking about the same sort of innovation that led to mortgage backed securities? States ALREADY have the right to set all the regulations about healthcare that they want. And it's not enough. If they set too many regulations, then the health insurance companies don't want to do business within the state. This has resulted in virtual monopolies in most states, where only one or two major health insurance companies will even do business.

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Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued.


The precious pubbie tort reform. Which they could have gotten more of in the healthcare bill if they had agreed to play along instead of giving the Dems the middle finger. (And if I remember a Jophiel quote correctly, only contributes about 2% to the cost of healthcare annually.)
#128REDACTED, Posted: Dec 22 2009 at 11:49 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Omega,
#129 Dec 22 2009 at 11:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Do you think insurance companies should use any underwriting guidelines before determining what rate to charge?
Do you think that after agreeing to a plan, paying into that plan for years, then being struck with an illness that necessitates you use your insurance to help cover the costs since your insurance plan covers the illness you have, that insurance companies should be able to deny you reimbursement anyway?
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If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
Take the hint guys, please take the hint.
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I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
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#131 Dec 22 2009 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
I'm not buying it.
You should try clicking the links.
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Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
Take the hint guys, please take the hint.
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#132 Dec 22 2009 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
Obama's approval number is 54%. His disapproval is 42%. (CNN)
#133REDACTED, Posted: Dec 22 2009 at 11:59 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) bsphil,
#134 Dec 22 2009 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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In terms even you should be able to understand do you think someone who's never had, let's say, auto insurance, been cited for numerous speeding violations, been at fault in numerous accients should pay the same rate as a person who's always kept insurance, never been involved in any accidents or received any tickets?


You should try putting it in terms you understand, you stupid fUcking piece of ****. No one says the coverage should cost the same, but the same coverage should at least be available. To sodomize your analogy further, prior coverage, accidents and violations are all factors which are under the client's control, whereas pre-existing medical conditions are not. God, you are the dumbest fUcking thing ever to fall out of your mother's fetid cUnt, and I have it on good authority she stuffs rocks and dead raccoons in there.

Also, proof of prior insurance isn't indicative of less risk, but is rather an indication that the customer will retain. It would be great if you understood why the rating criteria you use are valuable. I mean, it would be great for the poor bastards that actually buy from you, anyway.Smiley: lol
#135 Dec 22 2009 at 12:01 PM Rating: Default
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Obama's approval number is 54%. His disapproval is 42%.


Not according to rasmussen

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Fifty-six percent (56%) now disapprove.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
#136 Dec 22 2009 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Not according to rasmussen

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Fifty-six percent (56%) now disapprove.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Oh Rasmussen, you consistent outlier.
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Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
Take the hint guys, please take the hint.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#137 Dec 22 2009 at 12:07 PM Rating: Default
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whereas pre-existing medical conditions are not


Here's where your twisted little mind is mistaken. Most pre-existing conditions are the result of the behaviour of the person, not God. No wonder you're such an angry person. Someone who smokes for 30yrs doesn't have lung cancer because God is angry with them. While certain illnesses are beyond a persons control most are not.

#138 Dec 22 2009 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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It's funny that the republicans always talk about small businesses. My mom owned a small business. I remember what it was like for her to work all the time and not be able to compete with larger businesses that were especially helped by a deregulated market and corporate welfare. It's the same with small family farms--they went south because of government support of agribusiness.

The GOP doesn't help small businesses, Varrus. They only really care about the large business owner.
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#139 Dec 22 2009 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
publiusvarus wrote:
turtle,

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whereas pre-existing medical conditions are not


Here's where your twisted little mind is mistaken. Most pre-existing conditions are the result of the behaviour of the person, not God. No wonder you're such an angry person. Someone who smokes for 30yrs doesn't have lung cancer because God is angry with them. While certain illnesses are beyond a persons control most are not.



Man, your dad must be one retarded motherfUcker to allow you to sit behind a desk in his office, even if it is a Fisher Price desk.
#140 Dec 22 2009 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
turtle,

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whereas pre-existing medical conditions are not


Here's where your twisted little mind is mistaken. Most pre-existing conditions are the result of the behaviour of the person, not God. No wonder you're such an angry person. Someone who smokes for 30yrs doesn't have lung cancer because God is angry with them. While certain illnesses are beyond a persons control most are not.

Any illness is within our control. Shoot yourself and that will take care of your cancer.

Smoking aside, the fact that society has such an impact on peoples health should only be more reason that society also provide some basic level of healthcare.
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#141REDACTED, Posted: Dec 22 2009 at 12:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,
#142 Dec 22 2009 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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#143 Dec 22 2009 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:

Crazy b*tches like this are why there should be massive tort reform;

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/hiv_bungle_nightmare_octTwbbLrPMde82e5VcNwO

She'll probably be awarded millions when all this could have been taken care of by her simply getting a qualified second opinion.


Wait, that was your takeaway from that article? Smiley: lol You idiot. The hospital could have apologized. She freaked out because she got a bunch of test results she didn't expect. I think that'd be traumatic to anyone.

The personnel at the hospital said:
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When she went to the hospital to talk to the nurses who had originally tested her, they hugged her and told her that "the hand of God had come down to bless me because the machine never lies," she said.



I mean, really, wtf?

Edited, Dec 22nd 2009 1:47pm by Annabella
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#144REDACTED, Posted: Dec 22 2009 at 12:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) turtle,
#145 Dec 22 2009 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Next week: most second opinions including expensive blood work are a waste of money, say leading GOP pundits.

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#146 Dec 22 2009 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I see that Varrus has stopped talking about the GOP's wish lists and concessions.

I say this in all sincerity: If I was a Republican and believed in all the things you guys claim to believe in, I was be furious that my party had a chance to latch onto a bill which was smaller than any previous plan, had numerous concessions to GOP demands and which could have easily been made smaller and even more GOP-friendly by extending some conditional support... and instead threw it all away on an all-or-nothing gamble the goal of which was little more than to embarrass Obama and the Democrats. And so now you can say what? That you "stopped" a public option that was never a part of Obama's plan to begin with and which had little hope of passing through the Senate anyway? That's it. That's what you got us?

Man, I would be pissed.
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#147 Dec 22 2009 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Oh and more on the tort reform front;

Crazy b*tches like this are why there should be massive tort reform;

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/hiv_bungle_nightmare_octTwbbLrPMde82e5VcNwO

She'll probably be awarded millions when all this could have been taken care of by her simply getting a qualified second opinion.
Again, if the GOP is so adamant on getting tort reform, why didn't they vote in favor of the tort reform addition on the bill?

They have two choices when they're the minority:

1) Push for GOP-favorable additions to the health care bill
2) Oppose the bill entirely and not have the parts they want in the bill

Oddly enough, in a supreme **** move, they've opted for #1 while always almost unanimously opposing the entire bill.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
Take the hint guys, please take the hint.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#148 Dec 22 2009 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
publiusvarus wrote:

She'll probably be awarded millions


And yet, someone decided the paying policy was a good risk. Why do you think that is? Is it because uncapped awards allow premiums to reach exorbitant levels? Why yes, yes it is!

So, dumbfUck, who do you think blocks reform?
#149 Dec 22 2009 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Most pre-existing conditions are the result of the behaviour of the person, not God.



Wow. Just wow. Anyone with a chronic condition has only themselves to blame.

Wow.
#150REDACTED, Posted: Dec 22 2009 at 12:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Anna,
#151REDACTED, Posted: Dec 22 2009 at 12:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,
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