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#52 Dec 16 2009 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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I resent that. I'm charming, attractive, intelligent, athletic, and have all my teeth. Not to mention I have money. And who says I have trouble attracting women? You people...lmao that's a good one. Why marry when I can get the milk for free?


You realize that one of the signs of a sociopath is a lot of sex, right? And you like to tell us all how you're always tapping that co-ed tail...

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Liberals imagination is why we have millions of welfare dependents who think it's the job of the govn to subsidize their life. Liberal imagination is why half the population thinks the other half should work to support them.

I have faith in humanity. The more freedom and liberty you give someone the more good things happen. By depriving someone of their freedom and liberty you deprive them of their life. No one should be able to deprive another of this liberty for anything. You think stealing is ok if it's justified in your mind. I think stealing is stealing.


So where does depriving people of the liberty to procreate fall under your love of freedom and liberty...?
#53 Dec 16 2009 at 4:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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And who says I have trouble attracting women?

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#54 Dec 16 2009 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm just amused at the "far right" label on forced sterilization. It's an idea that gets support from the far end of both sides. Varus shares that position with John Holder, who was appointed by Obama to be his science czar...


Attack the far right if you wish, but it's the far left who are actually positioned to implement them. Just suggesting that if you find the idea of forced sterilization abhorrent, maybe you should be worried about a highly positioned adviser to the President of the US, and not to an otherwise influenceless okra farmer on an off topic gaming forum.
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#55 Dec 16 2009 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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I'm just amused at the "far right" label on forced sterilization. It's an idea that gets support from the far end of both sides. Varus shares that position with John Holder, who was appointed by Obama to be his science czar...


Attack the far right if you wish, but it's the far left who are actually positioned to implement them. Just suggesting that if you find the idea of forced sterilization abhorrent, maybe you should be worried about a highly positioned adviser to the President of the US, and not to an otherwise influenceless okra farmer on an off topic gaming forum.
It's not an issue of "left vs right", dimwit. It's an issue of "@#%^ing crazy," and nobody is seriously "worried" since it isn't politically expedient in the first place.

Quite frankly, Holdren's textbook is in no way similar to varus's arguments, except maybe superficially.

Edited, Dec 16th 2009 5:19pm by Sweetums
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#57 Dec 16 2009 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Sweetums wrote:
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I'm just amused at the "far right" label on forced sterilization. It's an idea that gets support from the far end of both sides. Varus shares that position with John Holder, who was appointed by Obama to be his science czar...


Attack the far right if you wish, but it's the far left who are actually positioned to implement them. Just suggesting that if you find the idea of forced sterilization abhorrent, maybe you should be worried about a highly positioned adviser to the President of the US, and not to an otherwise influenceless okra farmer on an off topic gaming forum.
It's not an issue of "left vs right", dimwit.


Funny. I could have sworn that Arri said it was. Specifically:

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If Varus was an Australian, security profilers would like to have him on a watchlist, with a nice little file. Because by Australian standards, that sterilisation opinion is an extreme right-wing fundamentalist whack-job of an opinion.


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Since America is further right than Australia, Varus might not look so unhinged in the American context.



Odd that you didn't call Arri a "dimwit" for making those statements. But you call me one for simply pointing out that it's *not* about right or left, but is present at the extreme ends of both sides. That's strange...

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It's an issue of "@#%^ing crazy," and nobody is seriously "worried" since it isn't politically expedient in the first place.


I would suspect that while the issue of forced sterilization isn't specific to right or left, many people's response to it and concern about it *is*. Maybe you're not concerned about the idea being expressed by Holdren because he's on the "left"?



Would you be making the same argument if the person in question was an appointee of a Republican and not a Democrat? Be honest...
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#58 Dec 16 2009 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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I never said anything about partisanship in any part of the thread. I was calling varus crazy (par for the course), and for some reason, you feel like defending him in some sort of bizarre kinship ritual.

Really, please do point out where I was tarring the political right anywhere in this thread. I'll be waiting.
#59 Dec 16 2009 at 6:19 PM Rating: Decent
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The second the govn pays for your housing and food you've become wards of the state and should therefore have certain rights restricted until you can become self sufficient.


This.
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I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
#60 Dec 16 2009 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
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varus wrote:
The second the govn pays for your housing and food you've become wards of the state and should therefore have certain rights restricted until you can become self sufficient.


This.
Unfortunately, by cherry-picking a varus quote, even if it has any inkling of truth, you are loaded with implications of crazy.
#61 Dec 16 2009 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
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#62 Dec 16 2009 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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I'd find that cute if varus were some sort of charming eccentric
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The second the govn pays for your housing and food you've become wards of the state and should therefore have certain rights restricted until you can become self sufficient.

This.

But not when they pay for your education or safety; that is completely different.
#64 Dec 16 2009 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
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#65 Dec 16 2009 at 6:37 PM Rating: Good
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I disagree with Varrus and Driftwood. My brother has a severe mental illness and receives government subsidies. However, he is competent, including in a legal sense, enough to retain his civil rights. There is a difference between able to work and able to be competent. Too bad some people are too retarded to tell the difference.

Maybe they should have their rights terminated. Hee hee.
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#66 Dec 16 2009 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
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I disagree with Varrus and Driftwood. My brother has a severe mental illness and receives government subsidies. However, he is competent, including in a legal sense, enough to retain his civil rights. There is a difference between able to work and able to be competent. Too bad some people are too retarded to tell the difference.

Maybe they should have their rights terminated. Hee hee.
Nonsense! To the gulags!
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#68 Dec 16 2009 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd find that cute if varus were some sort of charming eccentric



He's far from that. He's a ******* nutjob. But on the odd occasion, he says something I agree with.


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But not when they pay for your education or safety; that is completely different.


Now that's completely different.

Let me tell you a couple of stories.

When I was young, my parents had to go on welfare for a little while because my mom was unemployed at the time and my dad wasn't making enough. So we were on welfare for a couple of years, and then my dad got a new, higher paying job and my mom started doing home daycare. Because there was now enough money coming in, they took themselves off of welfare and never had to go back on it.

This is an example of how welfare should work.

Now take the other 7 families in the neighbourhood that were on welfare, for example. They were all doing the same thing. The parents weren't even looking for jobs. They took their government money and spent it on liquor(more than anything else), cars, and fancy things for their houses. Their kids suffered because of it(the money rarely went to them) and they took huge piles of money out of the pockets of others.

This is why Varus is right(to a certain extent). If going on welfare meant you had to give up some certain rights, less people would take advantage of the system. There would be more honest people like my parents collecting welfare only when they need it, and less...lazy people, collecting welfare checks just because they don't want to get a job.

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I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
#69 Dec 16 2009 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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Here's a hint sweetheart the more money I can spend the 10's of thousands on things like new boats, houses, new whatever.
Fixed, because you're not fucking hiring anyone as an insurance salesman.

And I don't foresee anyone willingly working for you if your crazy is as apparent in public as it is on the forums.
#70 Dec 16 2009 at 6:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I disagree with Varrus and Driftwood. My brother has a severe mental illness and receives government subsidies. However, he is competent, including in a legal sense, enough to retain his civil rights. There is a difference between able to work and able to be competent. Too bad some people are too retarded to tell the difference.


Again, another thing completely, if one is unable to work due to circumstances beyond their control, then they should be eligible to receive financial aid from the government.

Edited, Dec 16th 2009 7:47pm by Driftwood
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#71 Dec 16 2009 at 6:43 PM Rating: Good
Since I'm not about to agree with Varus on this, how about we go to the other extreme - you have children, you immediately become ineligible for any money from the government at all?

(This includes your tax refunds.)
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When I was young, my parents had to go on welfare for a little while because my mom was unemployed at the time and my dad wasn't making enough. So we were on welfare for a couple of years, and then my dad got a new, higher paying job and my mom started doing home daycare. Because there was now enough money coming in, they took themselves off of welfare and never had to go back on it.


WELFARE QUEENS.

You realize statistically, that accounts for around 5% of people on welfare. And I don't know where you get the "fancy cars" ****, because I grew up in a neighborhood where alot people were on welfare and I didn't see any fancy cars. That's just propaganda.

Also, I don't think you get the whole three branches of government thing. You can't give up your legal rights when you receive something granted by the legislative branches without a court order.
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#74 Dec 16 2009 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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You realize statistically, that accounts for around 5% of people on welfare. And I don't know where you get the "fancy cars" sh*t, because I grew up in a neighborhood where alot people were on welfare and I didn't see any fancy cars. That's just propaganda.


Did I say fancy? I said fancy things, but not fancy cars. I've heard none of this welfare propaganda, I know only what I observe.

Point is, up here in the magical land of snow, cold, and alcoholics, normal statistics do not apply. One day I will punch a customer in the face for coming into the store the day after the welfare checks come out with their malnourished kids to buy baking soda, tinfoil, and listerine, but not bread and milk.

Edited, Dec 16th 2009 7:55pm by Driftwood
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#75 Dec 16 2009 at 6:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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You realize statistically, that accounts for around 5% of people on welfare. And I don't know where you get the "fancy cars" sh*t, because I grew up in a neighborhood where alot people were on welfare and I didn't see any fancy cars. That's just propaganda.


Did I say fancy? I said fancy things, but not cars. I've heard none of this welfare propaganda, I know only what I observe.


Do you know how little welfare pays? If they had piles of money, chances are they were making it from dealing drugs and not from welfare payments. Most people I've known on welfare struggled alot and I'd give them a fair break. There is time limits (which I don't support) anyway, so I'm not sure what your problem with it is anymore.
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#76 Dec 16 2009 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you know how little welfare pays? If they had piles of money, chances are they were making it from dealing drugs and not from welfare payments. Most people I've known on welfare struggled alot and I'd give them a fair break. There is time limits (which I don't support) anyway, so I'm not sure what your problem with it is anymore.


Up here, seems to pay enough to lease a decent car easily enough.
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