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#77 Dec 08 2009 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Establishing a date does nothing to give away our intentions or hide our withdrawal. What? Did you think that when it comes time to pull out we were just going to sneak off suddenly in the middle of the night? Surprise! The insurgents rush in, ready for battle, Allah Ahkb… what the hell? They’re gone! Goddamnit! They tricked us! Pulling two hundred thousand troops and that many again contractors and their equipment out of Afghanistan is going to be a long drawn out process.

That's what has always made me laugh about the stupid "The terrorists will know!" claim. What, like the terrorists won't notice already as we move all these men and machines out of the region? And, if the argument is "They'll just wait for us to leave!" then... GOOD! Eighteen months of training and rebuilding without terrorist attacks would be wonderful! If "knowing" the withdrawal date is going to make the terrorists wait for it, then we should put a giant countdown clock in Kabul as if it were Times Square. That way, all the guys shooting at us and planting bombs will stay hidden in their caves while we train the Afghan military so, 18+ months from now, they'll be able to handle the job.
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#79 Dec 08 2009 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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And to top that off Democrats were subverting the process by proclaiming loudly and publicly that the war couldn't be won.
And here we still are, 8 years later. :D
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#80 Dec 08 2009 at 11:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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How simple minded you are. There will continue to be terrorist attacks they just won't be targeting US soldiers. They will terrorize the populace and scare them into doing and saying what they think the US wants to see until the US leaves.

Terrorists will scare the Afghan people into rebuilding their government, infrastructure & armed forces?

Are we paying these guys?
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#81 Dec 08 2009 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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Countries like Canada were more afraid of muslim retribution than supporting the US.
If that were the case, we wouldn't be in Afghanistan you twit.
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#83 Dec 08 2009 at 11:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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We're still in Germany from WW2.

But not under the excuse that if we leave Germany, the Hitler zombies will take over the country and nuke us.
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#84 Dec 08 2009 at 11:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Terrorists will scare the Afghan people into rebuilding their government, infrastructure & armed forces?

Are we paying these guys?


Well, we were a while ago. But then we got mad at then, and now we're shooting at each other.
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#86 Dec 08 2009 at 11:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ugly,

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If that were the case, we wouldn't be in Afghanistan you twit.


You had to appear to be with the US so you sent a very small compulsory force. What are there maybe 3000 Canadians soldiers in Afghanistan?

Oh and Canada wasn't there at the beginning.
What obligation do they have to send more than a compulsory force? Is it their failed world policies that lead to 9/11? Is it their arrogance and greed that angered the world against us?

With few exceptions, our "allies" in these wars are only there because we expect it of them, and they don't like to displease us. It's not their fight. Hell, it shouldn't even be ours.

Edited, Dec 8th 2009 12:02pm by AshOnMyTomatoes
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#87 Dec 08 2009 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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Oh and Canada wasn't there at the beginning.
We were there since October 7th, with a full force by January 2002.
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Ash,



The world hates us, and will always hate us, as long as we live the comfortable lifestyles we do.




Bush said, "they hate us for our freedoms".

He was wrong as well. But I see you fell for it. Pillock.
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Notice how Democrats always blame the US? It's never actually the people who are acting like radicals and causing destruction that are at fault; always those mean old americans.


Are you really this stupid?

Let's break it down for you like you're five years old.

If there is a kid on the playground who flaunts his new toys and won't let anyone else play with them and treats you like dirt because you're poor, people might understand why you would hate him. However, if you punch him dead in the face, you're still at fault for using violence to solve an issue.

Just because some people are more far sighted than you and can understand why people hate the US, that doesn't mean that those who attack us are not at fault.
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#91 Dec 08 2009 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Wow. Virus has reduced the world's feelings regarding the US into an internet meme.

"ur just jelous"
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Where's that compassion stuff that Jesus teaches you about, when it comes to the rest of the world?

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Where's that compassion stuff that Jesus teaches you about, when it comes to the rest of the world?



Did you know that Jesus condemned a fig tree to death because it didn't have a fig for him when he wanted it?

Yeah.
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#94 Dec 08 2009 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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Sometimes I want to be like Jophiel, and listen to Rush Limbaugh's show to hear what the nutjobs are talking about. Then I realize that people actually think the things he says are true, and I can't bring myself to do it.

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Did you know that Jesus condemned a fig tree to death because it didn't have a fig for him when he wanted it?

Heh. It was a lesson about bearing fruit (discipleship) or spiritual death. Complaints about that passage always confused me a little -- it's a tree, a plant. It's not as though it had fig tree feelings and thoughts and hopes and dreams. People kill plants all the time when it suits them, even just for convenience or because they like the look of it. When Jesus does it, it makes him a monster Smiley: grin
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#96 Dec 08 2009 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Sometimes I want to be like Jophiel, and listen to Rush Limbaugh's show to hear what the nutjobs are talking about. Then I realize that people actually think the things he says are true, and I can't bring myself to do it.

I occasionally tune into random republican talk shows, but the delusional, rabid invective coming through the radio is pretty annoying. I had to Scotch-Guard my car seats.

Edited, Dec 8th 2009 2:27pm by Debalic
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
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Did you know that Jesus condemned a fig tree to death because it didn't have a fig for him when he wanted it?

Heh. It was a lesson about bearing fruit (discipleship) or spiritual death. Complaints about that passage always confused me a little -- it's a tree, a plant. It's not as though it had fig tree feelings and thoughts and hopes and dreams. People kill plants all the time when it suits them, even just for convenience or because they like the look of it. When Jesus does it, it makes him a monster Smiley: grin


Oh, I don't think it makes him a monster. Just a little Smiley: looney.

And I watched Julia Sweeny on ShowTime last night on her journey to becoming an athiest. She brought this up to show that he had a tendency to throw temper tantrums, and I had never heard it before.
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Oh, I don't think it makes him a monster. Just a little Smiley: looney.

I didn't so much mean you but rather it's one of those things that gets brought up as some supposed uncomfortable facet of Jesus. But the whole "uncomfortable" aspect seems to be predicated on the notion that I should care about the fate of some random plant. The idea that it wasn't an intentional lesson (but rather a tantrum, etc) seems silly to me given how often the "bear fruit" is used as an analogy in both Testaments.

That concludes this week's Jophiel Bible Corner!
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Oh, I don't think it makes him a monster. Just a little Smiley: looney.

I didn't so much mean you but rather it's one of those things that gets brought up as some supposed uncomfortable facet of Jesus. But the whole "uncomfortable" aspect seems to be predicated on the notion that I should care about the fate of some random plant. The idea that it wasn't an intentional lesson (but rather a tantrum, etc) seems silly to me given how often the "bear fruit" is used as an analogy in both Testaments.

That concludes this week's Jophiel Bible Corner!


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#100 Dec 08 2009 at 1:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Did you know that Jesus condemned a fig tree to death because it didn't have a fig for him when he wanted it?

Heh. It was a lesson about bearing fruit (discipleship) or spiritual death. Complaints about that passage always confused me a little -- it's a tree, a plant. It's not as though it had fig tree feelings and thoughts and hopes and dreams. People kill plants all the time when it suits them, even just for convenience or because they like the look of it. When Jesus does it, it makes him a monster Smiley: grin


Well, here's the thing. It wasn't even fig season.

That's the part that always confused me. Did Jesus not know this? And whether he knew it or not, could he not just tell from looking at the tree? And if he did, why curse the damn tree? Wasn't that punishing future hungry travelers?

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What Samira said.

Also, Jesus hated families. Smiley: glare
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