Allegory wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
Where's the proof?
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If only there were several joint statements by the national academies of sciences various nations affirming anthropogenic climate change and the authority of the IPCC on climatology. All it would take is one signed sample document to prove the matter. Wish we had one :( If only people could agree there was a scientific consensus this matter would be settled.
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Allegory wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
Where's the proof?
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publiusvarus wrote:
I did glance at those links. I have considered them. I've also seen how academia is willing to lie and deceive in order to maintain the status quo so they can keep the govn gravy train coming.
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I've also seen where many of the devices used to determine the temperature for a certain have been placed. A list of institutions who are politically invested in propagating the lie that is global warming is hardly proof of anything.
publiusvarus wrote:
I did glance at those links. I have considered them. I've also seen how academia is willing to lie and deceive in order to maintain the status quo so they can keep the govn gravy train coming. I've also seen where many of the devices used to determine the temperature for a certain have been placed.
Uh huh. Not that I believe you or anything but, for the lulz, what sort of scientific evidence would you accept to change your opinion?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
publiusvarus wrote:
Ash,
And Nasa's official position;
And Nasa's official position;
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NASA's official agency position on climate forecasting (i.e., we did not know enough to forecast climate change or mankind's effect on it).
Edited, Dec 1st 2009 3:08pm by AshOnMyTomatoes
Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
[/quote]Huh, so they don't say "There's no way humans are effecting climate." Check.
Well they'd be right if they did wouldn't they?
publiusvarus wrote:
Next, and probably the most difficult to prove, you need to be able to show a direct correlation between human behaviour and rise in global temperature.
Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
Next, and probably the most difficult to prove, you need to be able to show a direct correlation between human behaviour and rise in global temperature.
Edited, Dec 1st 2009 3:11pm by bsphil
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Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
publiusvarus wrote:
I did glance at those links. I have considered them. I've also seen how academia is willing to lie and deceive in order to maintain the status quo so they can keep the govn gravy train coming. I've also seen where many of the devices used to determine the temperature for a certain have been placed. A list of institutions who are politically invested in propagating the lie that is global warming is hardly proof of anything.
I'm disappointed that you didn't consider them. You' looked them over only to invent reasons for yourself why they could not be leading to their logical conclusions.
What you are suggesting is a mass conspiracy being independently perpetrated by the majority of the global scientific community. You realize you are necessarily putting yourself in the same category as those who deny the moon landing took place.
Allegory wrote:
You realize you are necessarily putting yourself in the same category as those who deny the moon landing took place.
publiusvarus wrote:
First everyone would have direct access to all the devices used to determine climate temperature.
Everyone who? I don't have direct access to any observatories but I still accept the existence of various celestial events.
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I've heard of numerous stories where these temperature devices are placed underneath lights, next to power plants, and other equally f*cked up places that skews the data.
Uh huh. And have you attempted at all to verify these stories or that they represent any significant portion of data or that their readings were even skewed at all?
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you need to be able to show a direct correlation between human behaviour and rise in global temperature.
In my purely amateur opinion, that's probably impossible given the scope of the science. You can always have someone saying "Yeah, but what about sunspots, huh? I bet it was sunspots! Or volcanoes!"
Essentially you're saying that you'll never be convinced and that you have no interest in ever being convinced to the point of avoiding it.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Huh, so they don't say "There's no way humans are effecting climate." Check.
Well they'd be right if they did wouldn't they?
I'm... I'm just so proud.
Excuse me, I need a moment.
*sniff*
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publiusvarus wrote:
Allegory,
I did glance at those links. I have considered them. I've also seen how academia is willing to lie and deceive in order to maintain the status quo
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Though said with satire, I honestly hope you'll glance at those links Varrus and seriously consider them.
I did glance at those links. I have considered them. I've also seen how academia is willing to lie and deceive in order to maintain the status quo
how is fostering worldwide change and accountability maintaining the status quo?
I'd venture to say that is the exact opposite.
Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
This surprises you?
I wanted to stop joking around for a bit just to try and make some headway.
While comedic cynicism might help one to cope with depressing reality, it does little to change it. Today I felt like trying to change it.
Edited, Dec 1st 2009 4:40pm by Allegory
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Varrus wrote:
"There's no way humans are effecting climate."
I present to you smog & the hole in the ozone layer. The latter, of which, has improved since the banning of CFC's in MAN MADE products in the 80s.
There's also "the greenhouse effect", which you should have learned about in elementary school. But you are from Kentucky, so let me explain it to you in a way you can relate too.
When God created the universe, he made it so that some of the light from the sun would bounce back off of the ground into these things we call "greenhouse gases" & further bounce back into the earth, warming it. Many of these gases are natural (Made by Him), while are man made &/or influenced by man. ANY man made gases that add too the natural greenhouse gases increases that warming more.
Some common things people do/use that contribute too "man made" greenhouse gases include the burning of fossil fuels (cars & industry), CFCs, & deforestation (but only when done on purpose).
Cutting down on any of them decrease the man made contributions to greenhouse gases & thus, decrease man's influence on global warming.
Don't do so for us liberals, do it for Him.
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Accountable to what? You're asking people to change based on nothing more than junk science. That we're even discussing "green technology" as opposed to creating better, more efficient, ways to utilize our own natural resources absolutely blows me away.
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publiusvarus wrote:
How about the fact that the last 10yrs the global temperature has actually decreased?
Yeah, that little factoid only worked until 2008 because it relied on the 1998 outlier to keep saying "It's getting cooler!". Since 1999, it has gotten significantly warmer. 2009, by the way, is going to be recorded as considerably warmer than 2008 (anomaly jumping from .44 to .56)
Edited, Dec 2nd 2009 9:47am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Like burning clumps of peat. And maybe yak manure.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Don't you watch movies, Joph? You know that innovations arise spontaneously in any technical emergency.
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