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#627 Dec 19 2009 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good

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Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:

Supporting cattle farming and other labor intensive food sources for a growing population is not sustainable. It's sort of renewable but only if we all ate lentils or something.

I'm in favor of the vat-grown meat concept, myself. (For the time being, goat actually isn't too bad with respect to both resources "diverted" to producing meat and the amount of labor required. And it tastes pretty damn good, too.)

Edited, Dec 18th 2009 11:53pm by MDenham

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#628 Dec 19 2009 at 3:09 AM Rating: Good

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MDenham wrote:

I'm in favor of the vat-grown meat concept, myself.

Where are the Tleilaxu when you need them...

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#629 Dec 19 2009 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good

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Wood being renewable just requires that you understand the rates of regrowth and the amount of wood available and factor that in. Wood is very easily farmed in a renewable way, it just requires you limit the supply to the renewable rate.

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#630 Dec 19 2009 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good

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Debalic wrote:

MDenham wrote:

I'm in favor of the vat-grown meat concept, myself.

Where are the Tleilaxu when you need them...

Bring on the Slig, I say.

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#631 Dec 19 2009 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good

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Sir Xsarus wrote:

Wood being renewable just requires that you understand the rates of regrowth and the amount of wood available and factor that in. Wood is very easily farmed in a renewable way, it just requires you limit the supply to the renewable rate.

Yeah, though softwoods are more easily farmed in this manner at a rate that's consistent with usage than hardwoods are, hence my comment earlier.

(God, I need to quit hitting "Post Message" in mid-stream-of-thought.) Bamboo is even more easily farmed in this manner (being more of a grass than actual wood) and provides both wood-like material as well as extra fiber that makes quite acceptable cloth. (I fucking love my bamboo sheets. So does my wife.)

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#632 Dec 20 2009 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good

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Yeah, I'm thinking that Timelordwho sounds kind of naively optimistic about the future.

Optimistic? Certainly.

Naively so? Doubtful.

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#633 Dec 20 2009 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good

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MDenham wrote:

paulsol wrote:

Timelordwho wrote:

Water -> renewable
Oil -> sort of finite
Food -> renwable
Land -> sort of finite
Hardwoods -> renewable

2ish out of 5 ain't bad.

Lol. Your understanding of the planets resources is woeful.

Oh, he's right, though the timescale for "renewable" in there seems to be "one century or less".

You want to cut it down to "one generation or less", then wood needs to be knocked over onto the "not really renewable in a timely fashion" list, but both water and food are still firmly in the "renewable resources" list.

As far as land... it's entirely possible to increase the amount of livable land (effectively), but the results aren't necessarily what any of you would want to live in (read: arcologies on substantially non-arable land). At that point... yep, we're still at, for the most part, three substantially renewable resources out of five.

Indeed. You can create workable oil-type resources out of bio-synthesis processes like algal growth, more or less creating a soft solar economy.

Land can produce by by either adding to the depth of our planetary penetration or by suitably terraforming current land and sea resources.

Water/food/hardwoods are relatively obvious.

Edited, Dec 20th 2009 10:36am by Timelordwho

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