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#1 Nov 24 2009 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
So I'm taking Pharmacology 305: Drugs of Abuse, and today we were working our way through the hallucinogens section. We had gone through the more common ones like LSD and magic mushrooms when we landed on DMT. An indole hallucinogen that was originally used by people of Columbia, Venezuala and Brazil in hunting rituals. He mentioned a professor, Alan Watts who was studying hallucinogens tried the drug and described it as "Load the universe into a cannon. Point at brain. Fire." Physiologically it works the same as LSD and psilocybin (shrooms) but psychologically it has some very interesting reported twists with intense vivid hallucinations.

Anyway, he gave us a link to a website where one guy (not sure on his credentials) had written a paper on DMT. Here is the link and an excerpt from it. Sounds a bit crazy but I guess a lot of people have described similar hallucinations. LINK

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So you burst into this space. It's lit, socketed lighting, some kind of indirect lighting you can't quite locate. But what is astonishing and immediately riveting is that in this place there are entities - there are these things, which I call "self transforming machine elves," I also call them self-dribbling basketballs. They are, but they are none of these things. I mean you have to understand: these are metaphors in the truest sense, meaning they're lies! Uh, it's a jeweled self-transforming basketball, a machine elf. I name them 'Tykes' because tyke is a word that means to me a small child, and I was fascinated by the 54th fragment of Heraclitis, where he says: "The Aeon is a child at play with colored balls" ... and when you burst into the DMT space this is the Aeon - it's a child, and it's at play with colored balls, and I am in eternity, apparently, in the presence of this thing.
#2 Nov 24 2009 at 9:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have had DMT. It totally rocks.

I wont go into any details as to where or when or who with, because tho', these things are important when it comes to DMT use, they wont interest you....

the trip itself is amazing tho'. I described it immediatly afterwards as being as tho' I saw all the molecules that are visible to us normally, the ones that made up the surroundings I was in at the time, melting literally away, and all the particles/molecules that are normally invisible to us, becoming visible revealing the dimension that surrounds us but we are normally unaware of.

McKennas description of machine elves is not what I would have said, but the feeling of peace and of being cared for and guided thru the very beuatiful and endlessley fascinating space you find yourself in by 'beings' (angels) is very real. The trip is very short, maybe only 10 minutes or so, but is absolute. Unlike LSD or any of the other hallucinogens where you are still aware of 'reality', even tho it may be warped or twisted in various ways, a DMT trip is a complete disassociation. You become conciousness only. No awareness of your own physical self is present, and while this sounds quite scary, it is quite the opposite. In fact, when you feel the 'pull' back to your physical 'self', I felt very sad, as tho' I was leaving a place that had felt so like coming home after a long hard journey only to be told that I had to leave again almost immediatly. I felt huge regret and sadness at having to leave the beings that had made me feel so welcome.

A truly remarkable and very special experience. I vividly remember everything about it, sights, sounds, smells, touch, even the emotions that I had.

Terence McKenna is the DMT guru and is considered 'the man' when it comes to DMT and its use, certainly by other users. His writings and recordings are worth a perusal, tho he is a bit of an old hippy.

Do try it if you get a chance. Highly reccomended!
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#3 Nov 24 2009 at 11:13 PM Rating: Decent
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#5 Nov 25 2009 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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the trip itself is amazing tho'. I described it immediatly afterwards as being as tho' I saw all the molecules that are visible to us normally, the ones that made up the surroundings I was in at the time, melting literally away, and all the particles/molecules that are normally invisible to us, becoming visible revealing the dimension that surrounds us but we are normally unaware of. [...]

A truly remarkable and very special experience. I vividly remember everything about it, sights, sounds, smells, touch, even the emotions that I had.


Sounds pretty freaking sweet. After the LSD lecture I turned to my friend and said "ok, now lets go find us some acid." I have tried magic mushrooms a few times before and really enjoyed them except for a lingering kind of queezy feeling you get in your stomach for 4-6 hours. And since all you need of LSD is about 0.005g dropped onto a sugar cube to get you tripping, it sounds like a nice alternative to eating something that has been grown in shi't. That being said, DMT seems like it go horribly wrong and quickly.

These hallucinogens are about the only drugs covered in this course that actually sound appealing. Cocaine, amphetamines, opioids and ecstacy all have such negative side affects that I wonder how anyone can use them for recreational use. Although I am being a bit of a hypocrite in that sense, since I have tried two of those four listed... but never again!

But maybe one day I will try DMT, but it would need to be the perfect situation and environment to go into such an experience.

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But maybe one day I will try DMT, but it would need to be the perfect situation and environment to go into such an experience.



Absolutely essential. Also do some reading, especially concerning the shamanistic type rituals used in south and central Americas by the indigenous indians first.

Complete trust in the people you are with is essential.
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#7 Nov 25 2009 at 1:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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These hallucinogens are about the only drugs covered in this course that actually sound appealing. Cocaine, amphetamines, opioids and ecstacy all have such negative side affects that I wonder how anyone can use them for recreational use.


There's only one cure for the side effects of cocaine.

And that is, of course, more cocaine.
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#9 Nov 25 2009 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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I took a lot of drugs as a teen. My biggest abuse was THC in the form of angel dust - it wasn't by choice but by supply. LSD was a good high, clean and obvious,... if you could get decent stuff. More often than not though it was a waste of money. Shrooms were very rare. I shyed away from the amphetamines and cocaine mostly just by preference. Uppers really made me feel like my heart was gonna explode and I just didn't like snorting stuff.

I think a good pure concentrated hash oil high was my favorite. But again it's not something I came across on a regular basis. The high never took me far from reality. It was a very strong solid high though that just kinda made reality very cozy, friendly and fun.

A couple times while on dust I was stretched pretty far from reality but never completely lost it. It was kinda like, if I was flying I was flying above or beyond whatever was really going on around me but I always knew it was there (I flyed a lot while on dust).

Looking back it's pretty scary what we did. This was mostly when I was in 10th and 11th grade or about 15 -16 years old. One of my girlfriends in crime sort of od'd after we smoked some dust in the BR at school. She was pretty whacked. Stoned as we were, we actually went and got a teacher. That scared me. For a few loooong seconds I thought she was dead. So anyway, by my senior year in HS I'd sworn off everything but dope - and have never strayed from that - cept, well, alcohol. Crazy kids.

Experiencing something like DMT sounds kind of cool, though I'm too old for such stuff now. I'm not sure how much I buy into drugs, such as this, opening up pathways of knowledge or understanding into the spiritual or even physical realms, that we're otherwise blind to. But eh, what do I know.


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#10 Nov 25 2009 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
Huffing gas is like licking God's eyeball, kids. As far as hallucinations go it's vastly superior to anything and everything, although extreme meth-fueled sleep deprivation can cause some pretty convincing phantoms, too.

Really though, gas. I've had a near-death experience, with the soothing white light blasting bricks out of the front of my house and bathing me in melancholy euphoria, and huffing gas was still a more intense trip. It's like death on acid.
#11 Nov 25 2009 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
I haven't tried DMT proper, free-based it that is. I'd probably rather do Ayahuasca first, just because I'm more in it for the epic journey. I did try Yopo Snuff a while back which hurt like a *************, but it's defiantly a fun journey that I guess is DMT based, I'm not 100% what the verdict was on that. I'm pretty sure Yopo snuff actually predates Ayahuasca use.

To be fair, the natives didn't use full on DMT crystals, they always used it with an MAOI and extended and lightened the trip. My Yopo trip I pretty much felt like I was dead, ghost shaped shadows kept trying to rub my hand, it only lasted 4 hours but after the pain in my nose had I not been prepared it would have gotten a little scary.

So yeah... that's my deal.
#12 Nov 25 2009 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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McKennas description of machine elves is not what I would have said, but the feeling of peace and of being cared for and guided thru the very beuatiful and endlessley fascinating space you find yourself in by 'beings' (angels) is very real. The trip is very short, maybe only 10 minutes or so, but is absolute. Unlike LSD or any of the other hallucinogens where you are still aware of 'reality', even tho it may be warped or twisted in various ways, a DMT trip is a complete disassociation. You become conciousness only. No awareness of your own physical self is present, and while this sounds quite scary, it is quite the opposite. In fact, when you feel the 'pull' back to your physical 'self', I felt very sad, as tho' I was leaving a place that had felt so like coming home after a long hard journey only to be told that I had to leave again almost immediatly. I felt huge regret and sadness at having to leave the beings that had made me feel so welcome.

A truly remarkable and very special experience. I vividly remember everything about it, sights, sounds, smells, touch, even the emotions that I had.

Terence McKenna is the DMT guru and is considered 'the man' when it comes to DMT and its use, certainly by other users. His writings and recordings are worth a perusal, tho he is a bit of an old hippy.

Do try it if you get a chance. Highly reccomended!
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#13 Nov 25 2009 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Shrooms were very rare. I shyed away from the amphetamines and cocaine mostly just by preference. Uppers really made me feel like my heart was gonna explode and I just didn't like snorting stuff.


I hate the fact that LSD was available in your day and shrooms were not. As fun as I have had on shrooms it would never have been my first choice, but they are just soo easy to find these days. Our prof told a story that a friend of his had noticed the trend that everyone wanted these natural drugs instead of synthetic. So he went to the Supermarket, but a bunch of canned mushrooms then he cooked up a bunch of LSD and sprinkled it over the mushrooms. Made a killing.

As far as uppers making you very uncomfortable, I feel the same for the most part. Caffeine is my exception. But Cocaine did not go well with me.

My best hallucinogen trip: Shrooms. Taking them in the Rocky Mountains at my friends condo and walking around in forest and finally making our way to a stream and waterfall. We probably stared at the waterfall for two hours.

Barkingturtle... inhaling gas? You're nuts.
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Shrooms were very rare. I shyed away from the amphetamines and cocaine mostly just by preference. Uppers really made me feel like my heart was gonna explode and I just didn't like snorting stuff.


I hate the fact that LSD was available in your day and shrooms were not. As fun as I have had on shrooms it would never have been my first choice, but they are just soo easy to find these days. Our prof told a story that a friend of his had noticed the trend that everyone wanted these natural drugs instead of synthetic. So he went to the Supermarket, but a bunch of canned mushrooms then he cooked up a bunch of LSD and sprinkled it over the mushrooms. Made a killing.

Yeah. I'm not sure if I ever even caught a buzz from shrooms. The LSD was always in blotter form. I think, as it passed from person to person, stuck in pockets and what not, it lost it's strength.

I dabbled in gymnastics in HS - closest I came to any sports. The uneven bars were a blast when tripping.
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#15 Nov 25 2009 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I dabbled in gymnastics in HS - closest I came to any sports. The uneven bars were a blast when tripping.


Everytime I snowboard we always bring a few pre-rolled joints. Gliding in powder while stoned and listening to music is the most wicked sport.
#16 Nov 25 2009 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
I got a friend who's attempting to make some DMT so maybe soon I'll be good enough to try it.

LSD is still my drug of choice, I'd rather have that than weed or booze, that's for sure.
#17 Nov 25 2009 at 8:53 PM Rating: Good
Elinda wrote:
My biggest abuse was THC in the form of angel dust
These are nothing like the same drug. You're confusing THC and PCP.
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My biggest abuse was THC in the form of angel dust
These are nothing like the same drug. You're confusing THC and PCP.
Yeah. You're right - it's been awhile. Lol. like 30+ years. God, it was a lifetime ago.

I don't encourage any of you kids to do illicit drugs though!! they dangerous.

Edit to add - it's funny. Very recently, as facebook has hit my generation hard, I've hooked up (electronically) with some of my old HS friends - the ones I indulged in the netherworld of rampant drug abuse with. We mostly all still alive:D

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Elinda wrote:


I don't encourage any of you kids to do illicit drugs though!! they dangerous.



Less so than the licit ones. So, all aboard kiddywinks! Smiley: grin
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#20 Nov 26 2009 at 5:36 AM Rating: Good
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Everytime I snowboard we always bring a few pre-rolled joints. Gliding in powder while stoned and listening to music is the most wicked sport.


I couldn't agree more. Skiing or snowboarding while stoned is one of me favourite activities in the world. Sitting on that ski lift, smoking a joint, watching it go over the mountains, and then skiing down the slope, or snowboarding in the powder now... There's nothing quite like it.

As for harder stuff, I've only done shrooms out of the hallucinogenics, and that was in the Netherlands. I've had a great time until a couple of years ago where i had quite a bad trip. It was partly my fault, taking them in the middle of a big city was not very clever. But other than that, I've always had a great time on shrooms. I can imagine taking them in the rockys must be quite awesome.

As for DMT, is it anything like Savia? Sounds a bit the same.

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Cocaine, amphetamines, opioids and ecstacy all have such negative side affects that I wonder how anyone can use them for recreational use


What's the negative effects of ecstacy? I loved that drug. Haven't done it in years, but it was by far my favourite. Sometimes it got cut with hallucinogens, and it was so ridiculously awesome. This one time, my best mate and I were super high on E in his cellar, and I started seeing little video clips that would randomly pop up, and replay some bits of my life up to then: great goals I'd scored at footy, my first kiss, the German sheperd I had when I was a kid... They wuld last 10-15 secs, and then disappear, and then another one would pop up. Freaking awesome!!!

Anyway, I haven't done anything harder than pot in 3-4 years, but I have 0 doubt I'll do some ecstacy again at some point, one day.
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What's the negative effects of ecstacy


None, really. There are negative effects of non MDMA based pills sold in clubs as ecstasy, or I suppose to some of the collateral side effects of dehydration, exhaustion, or blowing that DJ with the blond dreadlocks. It's not gay if you don't kiss, right?

Anyway, DMT is worth trying if you have the opportunity, it's not worth taking on any risk or real effort to try. I think, as with most new or scarce things, many descriptions of it's effects were initially wildly exaggerated based on the placebo effects of the novelty or effort required to aquire it. Particularly Terence McKenna's writings/speaking gig before he died.
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I suppose to some of the collateral side effects of dehydration, exhaustion, or blowing that DJ with the blond dreadlocks.


Yeah, but that's just common sense, innit? Like people who are told "drink water if you take E" and then they drink 17 litres in an hour and then die. Yeah, well, it's not ecstacy that's the problem in those cases...

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I have never wanted to try anything harder than pot. I can't even stand painkillers. I hate that feeling of being out of control. Yeah, yeah, I drink, but we all know that's really not the same. Even in my more out-of-control days, I wasn't some raging alcoholic. Eh, the small control freak in me just hates the idea of drugs.
#24 Nov 26 2009 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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Eh, the small control freak in me just hates the idea of drugs.


Some drugs can give you the impression of more control. It's only hallucinogenics that make you lose contact with reality. Cocaine, for exemple, makes feel ridiculously in control.
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I have never wanted to try anything harder than pot. I can't even stand painkillers. I hate that feeling of being out of control. Yeah, yeah, I drink, but we all know that's really not the same. Even in my more out-of-control days, I wasn't some raging alcoholic. Eh, the small control freak in me just hates the idea of drugs.


^^^ This

The hardest thing I did as an teen is Black Hash, that a friend gift me and my BF on Easter, while watching The Wizard of Oz and drinking rum and coke at my brother's. I'm sure if I asked my brother could have set me up with any drug I wanted back then, as he ofter to sell me pot for $25 a bag, which at the rate I smoke pot would have last me several months, sharing it with friends at parties.

I dislike taking pain medications, even now that I suffer chronic pain. The side effect of constipation just makes taking it everyday not worth it for me. Thankfully I'm not up to opiates, yet since Ultram still can take the edge of the pain when I need it.

As for alcohol, I enjoy a drink of beer or wine, but have now watch out for interactions with medications, so don't have more then one beer now days. I only do wine on holidays, since there is always the risk that with each half glass of wine I will go into anaphylaxis sock from the Sulfite's. Same with anything aged in oak, such as scotch.

Though if I had a chance to do a vision quest or other shaman rite, with someone I trusted, I would jump at it. I've done some travel on my own after burning herbs for cleansing my circle, but not as far as I done during rites lead by other pagan folk, I've met.
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The only thing I ever did was pot and it used to make me giggle until I couldn't breath. That was...uncomfortable, especially at parties, so I declined in future.

Also did ecstasy at a party once, but all it did was make me tetchy and paranoid. Overall, I really didn't see the point. All drugs do is make you incredibly stupid for a few hours, which is desirable under certain circumstances but doesn't exactly produce the expanded consciousness everyone talks about.
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