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#1 Nov 21 2009 at 6:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Parenting does not come with a manual. It creates stress and you cannot escape a child, its there and its yours, deal with it.

As I consider being a parent, such thoughts plague me .. the undroppable nature of children. The fact that children are not a project but real people, with real needs and they will grow into beings who will continue affected by your actions long after you are gone.

And so I come to the dissapointment I recently experienced. I come from a loving family and I grew, after careful nurturing, into the horrible conservative you see before you today. I was given a good upbringing, I was fortunate to receive a grammer school education and have reaped some reward from that (and my subsequent university education). Some might call me a snobby cow, some have (some are from this board ...)

Anyway ... back to the original point of this post, rant, livejournal post of self loathing or whatever you wish to call it. I have known for a long time that one of my parents was not my biological parent. This has not worried me but I did always wonder about them ... what were they like? Which features did I gain from them? Which character traits are from which parent? I had no idea only knowing one biological parent.

I performed some research on this biological 'parent' I knew nothing about. It seems they are a complete dissapointment. In all I excel at, they showed no aptitude. The only trait they blessed me with was a sharp temper, no talent. That talent came from the other parent.

So bleh, what a dissapointment. What a total waste, all they did was reproduce, nothing else. The positive is I love my parents even more: for providing a home, for providing for me, both of them as a family. For a parent, who although my step parent, has loved me as their own and I love back. Parents, whatever form, if they stay and raise you, deserve all the credit.

Rant over, please feel free to go about your own business now.

Edited, Nov 22nd 2009 12:48am by GwynapNud
#2 Nov 21 2009 at 6:50 PM Rating: Good
Meh, I thought of saying something completely stupid and troll-worthy, but for some reason I don't feel up to it at the moment, so here's some srsness!

The main thing to keep in mind is the very large difference in the two meanings of the word 'parent'. On one hand, 'parent' can describe those that gave you your biology, and on the other, those that shaped your life through words, actions, and love.

Honestly, I'm of the mind that you shouldn't worry too much about the people who lay behind your birth. It's the ones that are there through your life that influence you more than genes, those are the ones who matter. I don't think you really glean any remarkable traits through your genealogy, but I'm also someone who thinks that intelligence is gained through need or want, not through birthright.

My biological father has never been a major part of my life. While my stepfather is an... abrasive individual at best, an ******* and bully at worst, I still acknowledge that he has had more of a positive influence on me than my "real" father has, and will likely stand by that when I am old and grey (or when I'm 25 and grey, as apparently that's when my biological father went grey =/... thanks a lot).
#3 Nov 21 2009 at 6:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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I fear my children will go through this one day, as I am not their biological father. The only thing they get from their father is the curse of being short, otherwise, he's a dumb, lazy fucker who would live off of welfare if he could figure out how to. Luckily, he's too dumb to even know how to figure out that one.

Edited, Nov 21st 2009 9:06pm by Uglysasquatch
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#4 Nov 21 2009 at 6:57 PM Rating: Good
GwynapNud the Irrelevant wrote:
Parenting does not come with a manual.
Even if it did, the people who need it wouldn't bother reading it.

#5 Nov 21 2009 at 6:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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MDenham wrote:
GwynapNud the Irrelevant wrote:
Parenting does not come with a manual.
Even if it did, the people who need it wouldn't bother reading it.

Yes I would.
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#6 Nov 21 2009 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
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I was given a good upbringing, I was fortunate to receive a grammer school education and have reaped some reward from that (and my subsequent university education). Some might call me a snobby cow, some have (some are from this board ...)


Some people should know better. Society really is going down the plughole, etc etc.
#7 Nov 21 2009 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
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I was given a good upbringing, I was fortunate to receive a grammer school education and have reaped some reward from that (and my subsequent university education). Some might call me a snobby cow, some have (some are from this board ...)


Some people should know better. Society really is going down the plughole, etc etc.
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#8 Nov 21 2009 at 7:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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While you have reasons for the disappointment, focus on the positive. If it wasn't for your biological parent's participation in your creation, you wouldn't exist. The events set forth from your creation has culminated in you being blessed with loving parents and the life you live. Sounds like that's enough in itself to be thankful for the role your biological parent played.
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#9 Nov 21 2009 at 7:30 PM Rating: Good
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As a mom myself who is also the offspring of two people who shouldnt have reproduced in the first place, I've learned that the word Parent is not a term anyone who breeds automatically gets. Breeding and parenting are two completely different things IMO. Anyone can make a kid. It takes a special kind of person to be a good parent. I can only hope that in doing the best I know how my kids come out ok in the end with only small therapy bills to deal with in the future
#10 Nov 21 2009 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
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In the immortal words of Keanu Reeves in the only role I ever actually liked him in:

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You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.


Edited, Nov 21st 2009 6:44pm by Ambrya
#11 Nov 22 2009 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think you really glean any remarkable traits through your genealogy, but I'm also someone who thinks that intelligence is gained through need or want, not through birthright.
So you blame your step-father for you inability to lift 30 lbs. and your 85 IQ?
#12 Nov 22 2009 at 1:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm disappointed by my biological, and only, mother. At least you have 2 good parents. Smiley: tongue



Okay, she's not really a bad parent.. I can trust her with personal information and stuffs.. but there's a lot I can't trust her with.
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#13 Nov 22 2009 at 2:54 AM Rating: Good
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Leia & Darth ftw
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#14 Nov 22 2009 at 5:29 AM Rating: Good
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Leia & Darth ftw

Yup, that would be one disappointing parent reveal.

Almost worth a NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
#15 Nov 22 2009 at 5:39 AM Rating: Good
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I have the same situation gwyn, I take all my good points from my mothers side, and my mother and step-dads upbringing, and a horrible temper from my biological father. Fortunately, my temper is much better these days Smiley: grin

However I'm never going to try to find 'dad' since he is/was a woman beater, and he should go die in a fire Smiley: mad
#16 Nov 22 2009 at 5:58 AM Rating: Good
Ambrya wrote:
In the immortal words of Keanu Reeves in the only role I ever actually liked him in:

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You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.


Edited, Nov 21st 2009 6:44pm by Ambrya


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I can sympathize Gwyn, I'm adopted. I don't know much about my biological parents, other than the few things my real parents told me about my biological mother when she lived with them for the last five months of the pregnancy. According to them, she was fat, lazy, and extremely immature. She would sit at home all day long watching TV and doing coloring books, while my parents both worked. She also did drugs while she was pregnant with me prior to her moving in with them. Somehow I still managed to turn out pretty good.

Honestly I think most talent is nurtured rather than something you're born with. The exceptions are those with extreme talent. Take Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera for example. Ignore what you think of their particular style of music, most people would agree that while Britney is a decent singer, Christina's raw, natural born talent far out shines hers. These are two women who had very similar opportunities growing up, they were both in the Mickey Mouse Club at the same time, and both of their original images were highly cultivated by Disney. Personally I think most people have the ability to sing as well as Britney given the right opportunities and lots of practice and training. Very few people have the capability to sing as well as Christina, however.

As much as I love my parents, there is one thing I was very frustrated about growing up. There were several activities I had a big interest in growing up, and they never did anything to help me cultivate those interests (hell they didn't even really help me make friends). We lived about 10 miles out of town, and most of the time they didn't feel like having to drive me to and from practice for these activities. I never did any youth sports, or had voice lessons, or gymnastics, or youth theater. I wanted to, and I showed interest but I guess it just didn't dawn on them to look into those things for me. I didn't start doing sports or dance until I was in middle school, when I found out about these things myself and told them I wanted to be involved, and as a result I was a rather crappy athlete. This is something I definitely plan on keeping an eye on with my own kids.
#17 Nov 22 2009 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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GwynapNud the Irrelevant wrote:
What a total waste, all they did was reproduce, nothing else.


I dunno, I would have thought the complete absence in your life would have indicated that.

All I can add is that, in my case, the parent who was non-biological but most treasured is now dead and I miss him everyday. Love yours up, while you can.
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#18 Nov 22 2009 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
Jacobsdeception the Sly wrote:
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I don't think you really glean any remarkable traits through your genealogy, but I'm also someone who thinks that intelligence is gained through need or want, not through birthright.
So you blame your step-father for you inability to lift 30 lbs. and your 85 IQ?


Considering I have neither of these issues... sure? Shrug.

I may be wrong, but that's my belief. I think that the people who are morons were raised by morons, and never encouraged to make anything more of themselves. On the other hand, intelligent people can come from a pairing of two parents who are dumb as rocks, if they put their mind to learning... willpower and peer pressure (kids picking at you due to your parents being idiots, etc.) would help more than the genes in that instance. But again, just my opinion.
#19 Nov 22 2009 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
I believe that both genetics and upbringing play an important part in who you turn out to be.

I don't get A's in college through hard work, it's mostly just a good memory for certain things and interest in them.

On the other hand, I think for the few years that my biological father was properly involved in my upbringing, he did quite a bit of damage while my stepfather (even though he's an Cunt) nurtured my love for the sciences and prepared me for the route I am taking now.

Also, in RJ's family, all four kids are treated equally as far as I can tell and while his older sister is very successfull and brilliant, he and his brother are mostly silly (which doesn't mean they aren't awesome people) and his little sister is not really on the right track, as they say.
#20 Nov 22 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
In the immortal words of Keanu Reeves in the only role I ever actually liked him in:

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You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.


Edited, Nov 21st 2009 6:44pm by Ambrya


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Parenthood.

#21 Nov 22 2009 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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As much as I love my parents, there is one thing I was very frustrated about growing up. There were several activities I had a big interest in growing up, and they never did anything to help me cultivate those interests (hell they didn't even really help me make friends).


It's not a parents job to help you make friends. That's all on your own bucko. I dont go around trying to make friends for my sons. I may have friends who have kids my kids age and if they get along, fantastic, but thats just a bonus in my eyes. If my kids want friends they can make them. I will help in trading play dates for the kids to get together at each others houses, but thats my extent.

As for extra curricular activities, those are nifty and all but also can be expensive, time consuming, and a pain in the *** for the entire family. And quite frankly most kids dont want to keep up with the activities and then the parents are in the situation of either forcing their whiny kids to continue or to lose a lot of cash and teach their kids you dont have to finish what you start. I've had Xavier constantly come up to me and say I want to try this, only to have a new hobby in mind a week later with no caring for the one he was drooling over earlier. You might have been one of those few who really wanted to do one special activity as a kid that your parents didnt help you with, but I have to ask, if you really wanted to do it then but were unable to, whats stopping you from trying now as an adult?

Edited, Nov 22nd 2009 3:39pm by DSD
#22 Nov 22 2009 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
nurture >> nature

Parents from very humble circumstances produced some of the most brilliant students I've been around.

I know people who worry about mental illness. I'm sure some of that is genetic. But just having a parent who did nothing really wouldn't be much of a concern to me.

Another related point is that greatness often skips a generation. Some of this, in my limited experience, is due to the massive resources of parental time given to the "great" children, who then spend far less on their own (since they are "great" after all - which is a codeword for having a great career, virtually never just for being a great parent).

gwyn wrote:
I come from a loving family and I grew, after careful nurturing, into the horrible conservative you see before you today. I was given a good upbringing


You are vastly more qualified to be a parent then the average American that I know. Breed like a rabbit if you feel like it. You'll be raising the world average parent quality, I expect.

the line for me that conservatives have to cross to be horrible is the whole torture issue. I have no idea where you are on this but considering you're from the UK, I expect I know.
#23 Nov 22 2009 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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Jacobsdeception the Sly wrote:
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I don't think you really glean any remarkable traits through your genealogy, but I'm also someone who thinks that intelligence is gained through need or want, not through birthright.
So you blame your step-father for you inability to lift 30 lbs. and your 85 IQ?


Considering I have neither of these issues... sure? Shrug.

I may be wrong, but that's my belief. I think that the people who are morons were raised by morons, and never encouraged to make anything more of themselves. On the other hand, intelligent people can come from a pairing of two parents who are dumb as rocks, if they put their mind to learning... willpower and peer pressure (kids picking at you due to your parents being idiots, etc.) would help more than the genes in that instance. But again, just my opinion.
You're confusing aptitude with application, numbnuts. People are given a set potential and their environment affects how much of that potential is met. Willpower and peer pressure isn't going to make a cripple win a marathon and it sure as **** ain't going to make an inbred halfwit into the next Einstein. Granted, gene therapy, cybernetics, and other life sciences very well may change this in the future, but for now you do the best you can with your lot in life.
#24 Nov 22 2009 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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"Set potential" is a self-contradictory concept.

Potential relies entirely upon the notion of flux in the future tense. At least partially it relies upon the murkiness as regards knowledge of future actions, and at most relies upon the murkiness as regards the possible existences themselves of those actions.

A potential which is set is not a potential at all. It's an actual limitation of one's existence.
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"Set potential" is a self-contradictory concept.

Potential relies entirely upon the notion of flux in the future tense. At least partially it relies upon the murkiness as regards knowledge of future actions, and at most relies upon the murkiness as regards the possible existences themselves of those actions.

A potential which is set is not a potential at all. It's an actual limitation of one's existence.
Nerd. Have 6 internet points.

Point taken though, however I'm not going to edit my previous statement. Merely acknowledge an incorrect use of the term.
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As much as I love my parents, there is one thing I was very frustrated about growing up. There were several activities I had a big interest in growing up, and they never did anything to help me cultivate those interests (hell they didn't even really help me make friends).


It's not a parents job to help you make friends. That's all on your own bucko. I dont go around trying to make friends for my sons. I may have friends who have kids my kids age and if they get along, fantastic, but thats just a bonus in my eyes. If my kids want friends they can make them. I will help in trading play dates for the kids to get together at each others houses, but thats my extent.

As for extra curricular activities, those are nifty and all but also can be expensive, time consuming, and a pain in the *** for the entire family. And quite frankly most kids dont want to keep up with the activities and then the parents are in the situation of either forcing their whiny kids to continue or to lose a lot of cash and teach their kids you dont have to finish what you start. I've had Xavier constantly come up to me and say I want to try this, only to have a new hobby in mind a week later with no caring for the one he was drooling over earlier. You might have been one of those few who really wanted to do one special activity as a kid that your parents didnt help you with, but I have to ask, if you really wanted to do it then but were unable to, whats stopping you from trying now as an adult?

Edited, Nov 22nd 2009 3:39pm by DSD


Dsd, I think you may have missed one aspect of what she was saying. She was 10 miles from town as a child. If you are relying on your parents for transport and they do not help you travel that does lock you out of activities. And while in school, that can socially exclude you. Its easier to make friends when you have the ability to show up ... Just sayin' ..

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You are vastly more qualified to be a parent then the average American that I know. Breed like a rabbit if you feel like it. You'll be raising the world average parent quality, I expect.


You sweety Smiley: smile

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the line for me that conservatives have to cross to be horrible is the whole torture issue. I have no idea where you are on this but considering you're from the UK, I expect I know.


I torture my boyfriend, does that count? Smiley: dubious


Edited, Nov 22nd 2009 9:36pm by GwynapNud
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