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#52ThiefX, Posted: Nov 20 2009 at 4:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Would have answered earlier but I'm at work (Someone has to pay for Liberal social programs) so I don't have a lot of time and btw I love it when Liberals start to lose an argument they change the rules. At first you wanted me to prove to you something I never said and now you're claiming you meant something different.
#53 Nov 20 2009 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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You deliberately miss the point of the conversation (that or you have no reading comprehension skills) and try to claim that everyone else is wrong Smiley: lol
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On Fox, this tends to take the form of swapping party tags on banners.

And apparently swapping video footage (while the hosts watching it say it's from the actual event) and using verbatim press releases as "news" and cropping video to turn it into something completely opposite of what it once said and...

Man, those zany interns! I mean, you'd think someone interning for an industry they want to presumably work in wouldn't want "This ****** carelessly reversed the parties during a news story" as part of their review but I guess they're just wacky that way!
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On Sept 10, 2004, Jophiel wrote:
I already said the story was on CNN.com. Complete with pictures of the memos. I'm pro-Kerry but, if CBS did fake materials, shame on them and I hope they get put up against the wall for it. That sort of thing makes a mockery of the First Amendment.

Ok... your turn!
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#56ThiefX, Posted: Nov 20 2009 at 7:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ummm I don't think you were trying to, but Thank You for proving my point.
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Ummm I don't think you were trying to, but Thank You for proving my point.

That you have to reach for something from five years ago which was already condemned as your defense for multiple instances in the past 11 months of Fox needing to apologise for their "errors" (not to mention the ones they never did apologise for)?

Not a problem. Was glad to help you out.
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#58ThiefX, Posted: Nov 20 2009 at 7:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WOW Joph seriously you're reading comprehension is really pathetic. That's twice in the same thread you've you have claimed I said something I never did.
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That you have to reach for something from five years ago which was already condemned as your defense for multiple instances in the past 11 months of Fox needing to apologise for their "errors" (not to mention the ones they never did apologise for)?

Not a problem. Was glad to help you out.


WOW Joph seriously you're reading comprehension is really pathetic. That's twice in the same thread you've you have claimed I said something I never did.

Please show me where I defended the errors by Fox News? Actually I believe my argument has been that sloppy Reporting and Bias on both sides are destroying journalism.
I know you're not intelligent enough to realize this, but backpedaling does not an argument make.
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#60ThiefX, Posted: Nov 20 2009 at 7:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And I know you're not smart enough to show me where I am back peddling? Please by all means point it out.
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I know you're not intelligent enough to realize this, but backpedaling does not an argument make.


And I know you're not smart enough to show me where I am back peddling? Please by all means point it out.

You were justifying fox news's use of a GOP press release as news by comparing it to an imagined time MSNBC did the same thing. People challenged you on that, asking you to provide an example, as they hadn't seen one at which point you started pretending you hadn't said anything, or implied everything. The point is there is a difference between a pundit saying the party line and using a press release as a news report, and once you saw that you quickly started randomly backpedaling.

You know, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and accept that you genuinely thought you were making a point, or had somehow forgotten about you previous posts. No one is disagreeing that there is a bias to both sides reporting techniques, but in responding to a very specific critique, you are assumed to be also specific, or else you aren't saying anything meaningful.
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ThiefX wrote:
Please show me where I defended the errors by Fox News? Actually I believe my argument has been that sloppy Reporting and Bias on both sides are destroying journalism.

Ummm I don't think you were trying to, but Thank You for proving my point.
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Par for the course really.
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#64ThiefX, Posted: Nov 20 2009 at 8:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Show where I defended Fox news using a RNC Press release, Show me where I said MSNBC did the same thing with a DNC press release?
#65ThiefX, Posted: Nov 20 2009 at 8:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pathetic Joph, would it kill you to admit you were wrong? Instead you just try to spin this into some circular argument.
#66gbaji, Posted: Nov 20 2009 at 8:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) A whole lot of interns are doing it for college credits and/or have no intention of actually going on with careers in news media. Um... And given the volume of liberal slant in most media, I have a sneaking suspicion that putting "Slipped embarrassing mistakes into Fox News coverage" on a resume might just help some of them get jobs.
#67 Nov 20 2009 at 8:21 PM Rating: Good
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well, as I said, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you actually thought you were making a valid point. It's ok. I accept that you didn't understand what you actually wrote. It's pretty amusing to see you consistently missing the point though. Please continue.
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#68 Nov 20 2009 at 8:27 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
On Fox, this tends to take the form of swapping party tags on banners.

And apparently swapping video footage (while the hosts watching it say it's from the actual event) and using verbatim press releases as "news" and cropping video to turn it into something completely opposite of what it once said and...


Joph. Who do you think queues up the video? The editor for the news segment tells a group of interns "Find me footage of Palin at the event", and the go find some footage. If they can't find footage of that particular event, they put *something* showing her in front of a crowd. Unfortunately, this happens in the news media all the freaking time. The pressure to get the graphic or the footage is intense and mistakes (or just desperate person not wanting to **** of their boss by having nothing on the screen) happen.
I assume you've worked in media right? Seeing as you have this in depth understanding of how they do business.


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Man, those zany interns! I mean, you'd think someone interning for an industry they want to presumably work in wouldn't want "This ****** carelessly reversed the parties during a news story" as part of their review but I guess they're just wacky that way!


A whole lot of interns are doing it for college credits and/or have no intention of actually going on with careers in news media. Um... And given the volume of liberal slant in most media, I have a sneaking suspicion that putting "Slipped embarrassing mistakes into Fox News coverage" on a resume might just help some of them get jobs.
holy fuck that's awesome. This comes from your previously established experience in news right?

Look Gbaji, there is no need to defend fox news on the relative scale. You do this all the time. Most people do, on both sides. You should stop. Just say, yeah, fox is biased, and they seem to be making a lot of "slips" lately, they should probably get their sh*t in gear. Why is that hard to say? You're so tied to your beliefs you can't even criticize them, it's amazing.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that putting "Slipped embarrassing mistakes into Fox News coverage" on a resume might just help some of them get jobs.
Really? You think advertising that you intentionally tried to ***** over your last employer is going to be seen in a positive way by future employers?
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#70ThiefX, Posted: Nov 20 2009 at 8:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I guess that's your way of saying you're wrong and "I can't find what I accused you of"
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well, as I said, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you actually thought you were making a valid point. It's ok. I accept that you didn't understand what you actually wrote. It's pretty amusing to see you consistently missing the point though. Please continue.


I guess that's your way of saying you're wrong and "I can't find what I accused you of"

It's cool apology accepted.
Smiley: dubiousIt was your first post, you need to work on your trolling.
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Look Gbaji, there is no need to defend fox news on the relative scale. You do this all the time. Most people do, on both sides. You should stop. Just say, yeah, fox is biased, and they seem to be making a lot of "slips" lately, they should probably get their sh*t in gear. Why is that hard to say? You're so tied to your beliefs you can't even criticize them, it's amazing.


I'm not defending Fox News, but questioning media matters and their own biased collection of data. Where is the control? How often in the last year has CNN or MSNBC made similar mistakes? This question was asked way back at the beginning of the thread and everyone just ignored it.

The question isn't "Did Fox News do these things", but "Is this unusual for a news outlet"? If it's unusual, then we should be looking critically at Fox News. If it's within the normal range of mistakes made in the industry, then we either have to accept that as the norm, or look at the entire industry critically. To single out just one network and focus on just their mistakes without even attempting to establish some kind of baseline only shows your own bias.
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Really? You think advertising that you intentionally tried to ***** over your last employerFox News is going to be seen in a positive way by future employers?


I'm pretty sure it would land just about anyone a job at The Daily Show. Don't you agree?
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Ok, I'll give you The Daily Show.
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#75 Nov 20 2009 at 9:31 PM Rating: Good
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Man, I should go intern at Fox News under the guise of an attractive female conservative and pull cute little intern pranks like producing irrelevant video footage and fake captions because my dream job is to work at The Daily Show. Perfect plan.

I want the job of doing the ticker. Whoever does the ticker for Fox News really has a lot of fun. Sometimes I catch ridiculous fragments while I'm zoning out and and I think "what?!" until I take the time to read through it again. Man, I love my grandma more than anything, but having to watch the O'reily Factor several times a week makes my brain feel like swiss cheese.



Edited my Freudian slip. Weak=/=week.

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gbaji wrote:
The question isn't "Did Fox News do these things"
Actually, it's not a question, it's a statement, i.e.: "Fox News did these things".
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