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#27 Nov 20 2009 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, Fox News Chicago seems okay enough (not that I watch much local news -- I'm a paper-reader). It's really the cable outlets that are infested with crazy-beetles.


It's because of the really warped promotion system that Murdoch uses. He promotes the loyalest and craziest of the people from each local hub, in order to consolidate the brand message. So it works out that the local stuff ends up more or less under par for crazy, even with their target demographic. And the outrage quotient gets decent ratings so he sticks with it. It's utterly retarded, but works quite well from a business standpoint.
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#28 Nov 20 2009 at 11:28 AM Rating: Default
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Naw, my favorite thing is that whenever a Republican politician is caught in a terrible scandal, they tack on a (D) to the name. By "accident."


As opposed to CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNC, NPR, and BBC not putting a (D) when a Democrat is the culprit and putting an (R) next to every republican who is?

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#29 Nov 20 2009 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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#30 Nov 20 2009 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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LMAO Please cite for me where I stated that MSNBC used a DNC press release as news?

Ambrya asked you to provide some evidence of the sort (namely the "word for word" bit you claimed since the issue here was Fox using a press release verbatim to the point of including typos). You need to pay attention.

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You're reading comprhension is laughable, my arguement was and is the same.

Your argument is laughable? Well, okay! No debate there.

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You claim some fake outrage at Fox Using a RNC Press release and are worried over the "seriouness" of hurting the public trust but yet I don't see you making a post about the White House inviting Keith Olberman over for Dinner.

I'm not claiming any outrage. I already know Fox is a shill organization for the GOP so there's not much to be outraged about. That's like being upset that the NRA is saying that guns are good -- it'd be more shocking if they did otherwise.

As for MSNBC... Heh. Kind of sad that the leftist "Anti-Fox" network pundits is more honest about their party's failings (well, based on their agenda) than the Fox ones ever were about their own.
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#31 Nov 20 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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As opposed to CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNC, NPR, and BBC not putting a (D) when a Democrat is the culprit and putting an (R) next to every republican who is?

Assuming for sake of argument that this is true... yeah. Failing to include partisan designation is much better than including the wrong partisan designation.
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#32 Nov 20 2009 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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Fox News is (partly) what is turning the independents into anti-republicans and the sane conservatives into independents. All news networks have their biases, but the difference is Fox News consists entirely of outright liars and emotional manipulators. They are radicals pushing extremist points of thought.

If you really believe Fox is the answer to the "liberal media", please.. please support something else. It's possible to be conservative and not a complete nutjob, yet the nutjobs are the only ones getting airtime. Just because they say what you want to hear doesn't make it right.

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As for MSNBC... Heh. Kind of sad that the leftist "Anti-Fox" network pundits is more honest about their party's failings (well, based on their agenda) than the Fox ones ever were about their own.


That's another big difference. It's scary how little they criticize themselves, if ever. Everything with a Republican sticker on it is absolutely right and perfect? That's the impression I get from everything that's ever reported by anyone of republican leanings, particularly on this forum too. It's insanity. A little healthy internal debate doesn't hurt anyone. We're individuals, not parties.
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#33ThiefX, Posted: Nov 20 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is the best you got Joph? Really? It's OK Joph don't worry Pensive and his mom still think your cool.
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#34 Nov 20 2009 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's OK Joph don't worry Pensive and his mom still think your cool.

Wait... that was the best you've got?

I think my best was much better Smiley: laugh
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#35 Nov 20 2009 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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For me, the issue with Fox is not so much the mistakes as it is that the mistakes, in most cases, seem purposeful. Identifying someone as a democrat when they are widely known to be republican sounds very much like a redirection of political shame to me.

To elaborate on one specific example:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200903160026 wrote:
During the March 16 edition of Fox News' The Live Desk, co-host Martha MacCallum claimed that "after weeks of economic doom and gloom, the Obama administration is now singing a slightly different tune. Take a look at what was said in recent interviews this weekend." Fox News then aired clips of administration officials purportedly giving an optimistic view of the economy, which included a clip of Joe Biden stating: "The fundamentals of the economy are strong." After the clips aired, MacCallum contrasted the administration's purported remarks from "this weekend" with what then-Sen. Obama said during the 2008 presidential campaign, when he criticized Sen. John McCain for stating that the "fundamentals of our economy are strong, but these are very, very difficult times." However, Biden did not make his remarks during an "interview[]" over the past weekend; Biden made his remarks at a September 15, 2008, campaign event, and, like Obama, was criticizing McCain for his remarks -- not echoing McCain. Think Progress also noted Fox News' editing of Biden's remarks.

During the September 15, 2008, campaign event in St. Clair Shores, Michigan, Biden said:
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John McCain has confessed, and I quote -- I want to make sure I get it right -- he said: "It's easy for me to be in Washington and, frankly, be somewhat divorced from the day-to-day challenges people have." Well, he's right. He's right. If all you do is walk the halls of power, all you'll hear is the wants of the powerful.

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe that's why John McCain could say with a straight face, as recently as this morning -- and this is a quote: "The fundamentals of the economy are strong." That's what John says. He says that "we've made great progress economically" in the Bush years.

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During the March 16 edition of The Live Desk, Fox News only aired the bolded portion of Biden's remarks, in which he's quoting McCain.


Iron clad proof, it is not, but it seems very likely that the cropping of the video was in fact purposeful. It reminds me of this clip (@1:50), actually.
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#36 Nov 20 2009 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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This is the best you got Joph? Really? It's OK Joph don't worry Pensive and his mom still think your cool.


This is three times now just off of the top of my head that you've shown obsession with me. If I feel imperiled due to your stalking tendencies again I'm going to get a restraining order. Good day.
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#37 Nov 20 2009 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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So once again, I say: cite, or GTFO. Because I'm not even remotely impressed with the blustering and hemming and hawing.[/quote



[quote]This sounds a lot like a guy trying to avoid admitting that he can't cite MSNBC slapping a DNC press release up on the screen verbatim and calling it "news".




LMAO Please cite for me where I stated that MSNBC used a DNC press release as news?


You're trying to claim other news sources are just as bad as FOX News, therefore either you have knowledge of other news sources committing equally egregious offenses and can provide a citation, or you're talking out your ***.

Since you have thus far failed to provide a citation, I'm going to go with option B.
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#38 Nov 20 2009 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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For me, the issue with Fox is not so much the mistakes as it is that the mistakes, in most cases, seem purposeful.


Well, that's the point, isn't it? They're not "mistakes" at all. FOX News tries to pass them off as innocent errors, when in truth they're deliberate deceptions.
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#39REDACTED, Posted: Nov 20 2009 at 1:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ambrya,
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#40 Nov 20 2009 at 1:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Same thing happened to W when he is in office. Every other month they were doing sh*t like that against him.

Just saying it doesn't make it true, not even if you believe really hard and clap your hands.
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#41 Nov 20 2009 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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Well, that's the point, isn't it? They're not "mistakes" at all. FOX News tries to pass them off as innocent errors, when in truth they're deliberate deceptions.


Same thing happened to W when he is in office. Every other month they were doing sh*t like that against him.


FOX was saying he was a Democrat to try and make the party look bad? I guess that could be true...
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#42 Nov 20 2009 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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Well, that's the point, isn't it? They're not "mistakes" at all. FOX News tries to pass them off as innocent errors, when in truth they're deliberate deceptions.


Same thing happened to W when he is in office. Every other month they were doing sh*t like that against him.



"They?" You mean FOX News, or are we talking about the ubiquitous "they" known only to paranoid schizophrenics?

If you have a citation of similar offenses committed by "them" please do share. I'd say I'll be waiting, but I won't, because I have better things to do with my time than sit here hitting refresh while you bluster and grasp at straws in an utter failure to make any real point.
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#43REDACTED, Posted: Nov 20 2009 at 2:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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#44 Nov 20 2009 at 2:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ermm... maybe one of those makes a point for you and that's from a pundit show. The rest range from benign to downright confusing.
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#45 Nov 20 2009 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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Jophed,

And just because you have a selective memory doesn't mean the things you block out didn't happen.

http://media.newtimes.com/1935244.47.jpg

http://www.willisms.com/archives/rather.jpg

http://www.edwardsdavid.com/media/msnbc/images/msnbc_german_tv_bush_responsible_911_050610-01.jpg

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/republican-vs-democratic-women.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E8BpJEni77I/SRMauyNz57I/AAAAAAAAGPc/mTKbKamDfMc/s400/bush-idiot-scarborough.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ga9VWddYFBA/RnqKG7VBpvI/AAAAAAAABJw/qJJPDcrIXSw/s400/bush_caption.jpg

They're really all over the place.



Edited, Nov 20th 2009 4:00pm by publiusvarus


I'm really trying to figure out the claim you're attempting to make here man. I have this troublesome notion that you're capable of making an intelligent comment but you just trip yourself up because you don't know any better. It's like watching a parrot try and mimic your speach or a coneheads skit.

Maybe I can't see what you're trying to show with those pictures since they are out of their original context. Maybe I can't tell because you're an honest to goodness idiot and just don't know it.

Indulge me and toss me a caption for each one and why they are supporting of whatever argument you are trying to make here.

Or don't.

F*ck it.
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#46 Nov 20 2009 at 3:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm wondering why Varrus thought he was making an argument against the "liberal media!" with a bunch of pictures of Republican & Democratic women.
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I'm wondering why Varrus thought he was making an argument against the "liberal media!" with a bunch of pictures of Republican & Democratic women.
I was confused by the choice to include Ann Coulter. Maybe mainstream Republicans are more progressive than otherwise thought.
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For me, the issue with Fox is not so much the mistakes as it is that the mistakes, in most cases, seem purposeful.


Well, that's the point, isn't it? They're not "mistakes" at all. FOX News tries to pass them off as innocent errors, when in truth they're deliberate deceptions.


Well, no, that's not the point, as I see it. An organization that makes several stupid mistakes due to haste or sheer ignorance is far less evil than an organization that purposely conjures up "mistakes" and apologizes only for the ones they get called out on. Some might see fox as the former, while I see it as the latter.
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I'm really trying to figure out the claim you're attempting to make here man.


Don't know what point he's making, but the kinda obvious point should be that screwy things happen with captions at news networks all the time. I honestly suspect that the interns and low level employees who spend all day typing in stuff for those captions get a little stir crazy from time to time and decide to have some fun by slipping stuff in there they think will be funny or cause interesting responses. Probably doubly so if it's like their last day on the job or something...

And yeah. On Fox, this tends to take the form of swapping party tags on banners. On MSNBC the trend seems to be to put some funny caption under someone you don't like. Does anyone honestly think that in the 15 minutes between when a story breaks and these captions appear that some high up executives in these networks organized a tiger team to assess the public opinion impact if they "accidentally" inserted some false info into a caption or banner on the screen? Really? That requires an assumption of planning just as far out there as the loose change guys.


It's interns playing jokes people. Let's not get our panties in a bunch about it.
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#50 Nov 20 2009 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm wondering why Varrus thought he was making an argument against the "liberal media!" with a bunch of pictures of Republican & Democratic women.

And even more confusing because a Republican assembled the photos.

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How I know fox news is pure ********* Kid from my high school made it into the top like 10 on American idol his senior year. He had a girlfriend who was in my grade, who he broke up with before going to Hollywood. Fox news came to the school for some interviews and ****, and they asked the girl what her opinions were about her boyfriend being constantly flirty and kissed or whatever with the females on the show. She told them that they're not together anymore and that they broke up before he went to Hollywood. The told her to just pretend they were still together to answer the question.

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