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#152 Nov 24 2009 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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The real question is how far you would go protect yourself against the loss of income.
Damnit, Varus, we know you're a terrorist already. Quit advocating bank robbery.
#153 Nov 24 2009 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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The real question is how far you would go protect yourself against the loss of income.

And that's where the Second Amendment comes into it.


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#154 Nov 24 2009 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Not I. My only beef is with people who rely on govn assistance and then whine about what kind of job they deserve.


That's the spirit varus. Encourage people to better themselves by discouraging them from ever seeking better work! Makes perfect sense.
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The real question is how far you would go protect yourself against the loss of income.

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#156 Nov 24 2009 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
That's the spirit varus. Encourage people to better themselves by discouraging them from ever seeking better work! Makes perfect sense.
That's not what he was pushing for (or, at least not how I interpret him). He's saying, and rightfully by the way, is that you should not be on government assistance when you're turning down jobs because you're "too good" for them. If you were too good for it, then you'd have a better job in the first place.
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#157 Nov 24 2009 at 3:40 PM Rating: Default
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That's the spirit varus. Encourage people to better themselves by discouraging them from ever seeking better work! Makes perfect sense.


Who's discouraging them? I'm simply saying I don't want to pay for them to spend the rest of their lifes looking for a job they can tolerate. If you want a better job here's a thought spend every waking second doing your due diligence and research until you land a better job. Ever heard the expression don't quit your day job? Why do you hate individualism?



#158 Nov 24 2009 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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If you were too good for it, then you'd have a better job in the first place.


I want you to consider how often I deride people for being idealistic. Got that in your mind? Okay.

The sentiment you have just expressed is ludicrously and childishly naive and fails to achieve an even remotely realistic appraisal of employment.

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Also, according to your own past testimony, your career is a counterexample to this very idea.

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Also, according to your own past testimony, your career is a counterexample to this very idea.
Do you know what my very first job was? Garbage man. That's right, the guy who jumped off the truck and emptied the can into the back of the truck. Nasty job, but I did it until I got a better one. The better job? Cleaning office buildings. The fact that better opportunities were available to me later in life did not change the fact that at that time in life, I needed a job, so I took what was there for me. When opportunities came to better myself, I took them, but I did not quit without another job lined up in the first place.
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#160 Nov 24 2009 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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I don't particularly care what you did or how you turned out, because you have very little to do with all. Mentioning your historically candid disclosure of nepotism alludes to a simple point: skill and worth don't suffice to get you a job better than the one you are doing. Skill may be necessary (and honestly, it's not that either, but let's just say) but it certainly is not sufficient; the notion that "if you were too good, you'd have a better job" is the most utterly false employment condition ever uttered by a human.

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#161 Nov 24 2009 at 4:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ever heard the expression don't quit your day job?


I don't think this phrase means what you think it means.

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#162 Nov 24 2009 at 4:13 PM Rating: Default
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the notion that "if you were too good, you'd have a better job" is the most utterly false employment condition ever uttered by a human.


Actually I'd say the notion that worth is defined by what someone is willing to pay you is the most accurate employment condition ever uttered. What you think you're worth means absolutely nothing.

#163 Nov 24 2009 at 4:15 PM Rating: Default
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It means what I want it to mean.

I'm not going to quit my day job because I know in my heart i'm a better basketball player than steve nash and d*mmit I'm going to collect welfare until the NBA gives me the change to prove it.

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It means what I want it to mean.

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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
the notion that "if you were too good, you'd have a better job" is the most utterly false employment condition ever uttered by a human.
Yea, fine. That was a very **** poor choice of words to use. I'd explain them to you, as to what I actually intended, but I don't feel like really getting into the discussion, especially as I don't feel you're worth me discussing it with, due to your far far left ideals when ti comes to employment. That is to say, I don't want to get into a discussion that will go no where for either of us. No insult intended there, so if you see one, please try to look at it from another perspective and assume I've misreported what was said.

Edited, Nov 24th 2009 6:32pm by Uglysasquatch
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#166 Nov 24 2009 at 4:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
It means what I want it to mean.

Told her!


Yeah, well, Noah Webster there best keep his day job.

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#167 Nov 24 2009 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually I'd say the notion that worth is defined by what someone is willing to pay you is the most accurate employment condition ever uttered.


Damn varus when did you become a socialist?


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That is to say, I don't want to get into a discussion that will go no where for either of us.


Oh no, I agree totally. I can also probably intuit what your point is. My point is not to convince you that I'm right; it's to convince you that your point of at least hypothetical salience is not what varus' is. His is actually internally incoherent, and also at odds with both typical left and right leaning economic understandings.

Edited, Nov 24th 2009 5:35pm by Pensive
#168 Nov 25 2009 at 12:44 AM Rating: Good
Talking with Palin's book buyers.

Before the board pubbies jump all over the source of these interviews & the fact that they were edited (all interviews are edited. even Fox's), I want them to watch it, listen to what these people say, & think for a minute.

After watching & listening, can you understand a little bit about why we lefties find her & her followers to be a bit of a joke?

It isn't about how her & her supporters are "portrayed" in the media, it's because her & her ilk are unabashed & unapologeticly ignorant.

And what's worse is her/their egos won't allow them to see their ignorance for what it is, which we find scary. We've seen what happens when you put an idiot in charge of the country for 8 years & are reluctant to see it repeated.

Edited, Nov 25th 2009 1:52am by Omegavegeta
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#169 Nov 25 2009 at 12:52 AM Rating: Good
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Ever heard the expression don't quit your day job?


This expression refers to someone attempting to gain a career in the performing or literary arts, who utterly sucks at it.

It's what someone would tell me if I were to try to get a job as a model on the side.

It's what I'd say to you if you ever tried writing a book or a poem.
#170 Nov 25 2009 at 12:54 AM Rating: Good
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Talking with Palin's book buyers.

Before the board pubbies jump all over the source of these interviews & the fact that they were edited (all interviews are edited. even Fox's), I want them to watch it, listen to what these people say, & think for a minute.

After watching & listening, can you understand a little bit about why we lefties find her & her followers to be a bit of a joke?

It isn't about how her & her supporters are "portrayed" in the media, it's because her & her ilk are unabashed & unapologeticly ignorant.

And what's worse is her/their egos won't allow them to see their ignorance for what it is, which we find scary. We've seen what happens when you put an idiot in charge of the country for 8 years & are reluctant to see it repeated.

Edited, Nov 25th 2009 1:52am by Omegavegeta


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I think she should be president. No, I have no idea what she stands for, but she's COOL!!
#171 Nov 25 2009 at 1:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Talking with Palin's book buyers.

Before the board pubbies jump all over the source of these interviews & the fact that they were edited (all interviews are edited. even Fox's), I want them to watch it, listen to what these people say, & think for a minute.

After watching & listening, can you understand a little bit about why we lefties find her & her followers to be a bit of a joke?

While amusing, I don't give it any more weight than I give to the videos of Obama supporters who can't answer basic questions about the government or Obama's policies, etc. Really, I think most people are pretty politically ignorant.
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#172 Nov 25 2009 at 1:09 AM Rating: Good
So last night, I went to the Barnes & Noble where Palin was appearing on Nov. 24th in Orlando. I arrived at 11:35 PM, and already the line was around the side of the building and partway down the next wall. So I sat down with my book and backpack, and listened to people talk about Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, etc.

At 9 AM, they started to pass out bracelets that we weren't allowed to take off (if we took it off, we wouldn't be allowed in for the signing), and the opportunity to buy the book if we haven't yet.

I went back at around 7:00 PM (The signing was at 7:30), and it was PACKED. There were some protesters outside, and it was starting to rain. Despite the weather though, there was a ton of people there. After waiting for half an hour, Palin finally appeared. When she came in, there were chants going up of "Palin 2012! Palin 2012!" that didn't stop for a few minutes. She went up to the second floor of the bookstore, gave a wave and a wink over the balcony side, and then went to the signing table. We were only allowed to bring up the books to the second floor, and everything from purses to jackets to cellphones and the bags that the books were in had to be kept on the first floor, redeemable by a ticket number that we gave up when we came down the other side of the elevator. It was all a very efficient process.

When I got my book signed, I got the opportunity to shake her hand and talk with her for a couple minutes. I asked her that with her brand of conservatism, if she'll be able to bring back to the independents and moderates that fled in 2008. She said that she is very independent herself, and that she would have no problem doing so. I then asked about the fact that it seems like the party is starting to push the moderates out, and I cited NY-23...and she was starting to develop an answer to that when I was told to move on. Smiley: banghead

She is a very likable person in person. She has a lot of charisma, and I got the impression (from the brief amount we talked) that she is a smart woman, just lacks the experience needed for national office. A lot of the people in the crowd support her for a variety of reasons...two of which that stood out was 1) she gives the conservative woman a voice that she didn't have previously and 2) she is like the average person (with her family and her own life so far), moreso than people like Obama or Biden.

Stouch Republicans are nice people, and I actually made a couple of friends sitting there (and I'm texting with one right now, in fact).

If Palin can reinvent herself...I worry about 2016.

Edited, Nov 25th 2009 7:39am by Nightsintdreams
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