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#52 Nov 13 2009 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
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If I ask a girl out, I expect that I'll be paying for everything.


You, sir, are a wonderful normal person.


Paying for a date when you're the one asking is pretty standard, IMO. I've never heard of someone initiating a date and then blindly suggesting to go dutch or leech off the other person. Any guy (or girl) who does that deserves a swift kick in the shin.


It happens more often then you think, honestly.

One of the big complaints I hear from my girl-friends (friends who are girls) is that the guy often expects that if he pays for dinner, she kick in for gas/drinks/whatever. Honestly, it all goes back to how one is raised. I was taught to always treat the woman with respect, since she's choosing to spend her time with you. It's not like she -HAS- to...so why not put forth my best effort to get her to want to spend time with me again?

As to the walking on the side of the road...even though worrying about muddy roads and horses kicking up said dirt isn't as big of a problem anymore, it's still done where I come from. I do it, and often without thinking about it...and it drives my friends nuts sometimes when I switch from one side of a girl to another, keeping in pace with which way she goes down the road.
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#53 Nov 15 2009 at 1:24 AM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom the Eccentric wrote:
As far as paying for dates goes, it's stupid for women to expect the man to always pay. If he asked me out, and it was a "date" situation, not a relationship, yes I'd expect him to pay but I might offer to take care of the tip. If I asked him out, and he grabbed for the bill I'd probably get mad.


I agree with this. Further, whomever asks pays until around the 4th-5th date, then it's perfectly acceptable to go dutch.
#54 Nov 15 2009 at 2:33 AM Rating: Good
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Mostly nods at Nexa's OP, but tempered with Smash's chillingly accurate restaurant dialogue.

I only ever order for a woman if she asks, or if she orders a wine that is massively at odds with the dish. Under those circumstances, random and unexpected violence are effective and justified.

Oh and nice reminder of a great Emo Philips line:

My girlfriend got mad at me for not opening the car door for her. She was upset that I just got out the car and swam to the surface alone.
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#55 Nov 15 2009 at 3:59 AM Rating: Good
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I like my boobs being stared at. They're one of my better features, really.


I do not mind my boyfriend doing so, but its rather tiresome when in a technical meeting with colleagues ...

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'Cause she likes it, it makes her happy and it doesn't cost me nothin'. And when you're in a relationship that answer has to suffice for a good number of things.


My BF has these kind of moments with me where he does something really nice, it encourages the same in return. I must train him into buying me flowers ..


For the OP, I've found those social conventions can lead to awkwardness. One of my Ex's was glared at by the waiting staff in an expensive restuarant when I took the bill and paid (it was a special occasion for him) Smiley: rolleyes

#56 Nov 15 2009 at 6:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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GwynapNud the Irrelevant wrote:
One of my Ex's was glared at by the waiting staff in an expensive restuarant when I took the bill and paid (it was a special occasion for him) Smiley: rolleyes
That's because, in general, women tip less.
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#57 Nov 15 2009 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
GwynapNud the Irrelevant wrote:
One of my Ex's was glared at by the waiting staff in an expensive restuarant when I took the bill and paid (it was a special occasion for him) Smiley: rolleyes
That's because, in general, women tip less.


I did not know that! Although in this case, that was not true as he paid the tip Smiley: smile
#58 Nov 15 2009 at 9:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I used to always open the car door for Flea. Now I forget sometimes and she sits in the car and 'glares' at me. She says that just 'cause we're married doesn't mean I get to slack on the dating stuff Smiley: grin


Obviously this doesn't apply if we're running late or some other situation where it's impractical
You neglect to mention that the first year we dated, every time I would reflexively make a move to free myself from my metal prison, you would sigh deeply and mourn, "I guess the Honeymoon's over", which made me feel bad and so I sat and you would then skip over, drunk on my guilt, and open it with a flourish. My present-day glares are directly tied into this.

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#59 Nov 15 2009 at 9:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Also, Smash: If Nexa doesn't know what to order, that is CLEARLY an opening for you to yammer on about how she always orders the bestest, and you bow in all regards to her superior culinary IQ. That should typically be followed by any of the following comments:

1. Hannah is the best-looking kid here, and the smartest.
2. Your body is so amazing, you could order three desserts and still outfox anyone in this restaurant.
3. Sweetheart, you're always right, and I defer to you with complete faith.


Sheesh. Men. Do we really have to spell it out for you?
#60 Nov 15 2009 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
GwynapNud the Irrelevant wrote:
One of my Ex's was glared at by the waiting staff in an expensive restuarant when I took the bill and paid (it was a special occasion for him) Smiley: rolleyes
That's because, in general, women tip less.

From my experience, this is false. When I was a waiter I got consistently better tips from women.
#61 Nov 15 2009 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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Bardalicious wrote:
From my experience, this is false. When I was a waiter I got consistently better tips from women.


Packs of women, yes. Women in the midst of a one-on-one date? Heck no. Especially if they're not 100% happy with the man present.

Lesbians? Might as well just give them bad service because you're not getting anything anyway.
#62 Nov 15 2009 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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CBD wrote:
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From my experience, this is false. When I was a waiter I got consistently better tips from women.


Packs of women, yes. Women in the midst of a one-on-one date? Heck no. Especially if they're not 100% happy with the man present.

Lesbians? Might as well just give them bad service because you're not getting anything anyway.

This reminds me of the time that the NOW (national organization of women) brought one of their discussion parties to my section.

They each tipped approx 200%.

I can't remember any specific lesbian couples to prove or disprove their tipping habits
#63 Nov 15 2009 at 5:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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1. Ordering my meal for me. This has always struck me as bizarro, because chances are you don't know what I want. The only time this is cool is if I have no idea how to pronounce something and you do.


I usually ask what my date would like and then order for us both. Starting with her meal of course. I never had any complaints. And it can lead to interesting topics at times.

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2. Letting me win at a game of Scrabble/pool/bowling when you are clearly better. No fun! Please give it your best shot. I want the satisfaction of really beating you.


I don't pay attention to scores most of the times. Doesn't really matter. Most likely I won't lose on purpose but I won't get competitive either. Unless my date needs it to help her feel better or something. I would do pretty much anything to cheer up a girl.

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3. Using a code term for going to the bathroom. Especially retro words like "tinkle." You can just say, "I'll be back in a minute." I'll get it.


Agreed. It's not awkward. Code term sound very dated and, frankly, childish.

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4. Pulling out my chair. Someone told me this tradition started when women wore loads of crinolines and, thus, scooting in your chair was difficult. That's no longer the case. It just makes me nervous that you won't push it in at the right moment and I'll land on the ground with a thud.


I do that. Every time. I am also used to standing up when lady is entering or leaving the room. Especially in half-formal surroundings such us restaurants. I've got couple stares because of it. Women are not used to it, I suppose.

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5. Carrying my purse. Yeah, it's heavy, but I'm pretty used to it at this point. You carrying it just looks funny. I have enough of a hard time with murses.


That's a no-go. Unless it's this giant bag-like thing with groceries in it. Most of girls I know are very teritorial about their purses. If I asked to carry it, it would amount to same thing as if they asked me to carry around my ********* Just weird. And I agree about murses. Horrible invention. Everything man needs can be put in pockets, that's why male clothes have more of those.

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6. Asking my dad for my hand in marriage. So outdated. Pops just shouldn't be involved in our relationship. No one should know you want to marry them before they do.


Highly doubt I would do that. It's one of things that should be kept between man and a woman. I would ask for blessing though. It has slightly different meaning to it. And it assumes you heard "yes" from fiancee first.
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7. If you're paying for dinner, not letting me put in for tip. Or get a round of drinks after. If I offer, it's because I want to. I swear.


I encountered different opinions on that. Some of girls assume man pays, which is fine. Some insist on splitting the bill. I don't really care. Certainly not enough to make a fuss about it. However, unless I hear strong disagreement I assume I'm paying.

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8. Helping me put me coat on. This is sweet, but it's always awkward because my hand misses the sleeve or gets stuck somewhere in there. It's easier to just do it on my own.


It's guy's job to hand it to you in such way that your hand slips in without trouble. If you can't do that, don't bother at all. I like to do it, gives me occasion to sniff perfumes which is my thing :)
Same goes for kissing hand instead of shaking it. I live in a country where some old-fashioned men still do that. It's rare but it's certainly not frowned upon. But there is one absolutely horrifying sight to it. A man dragging hand all the way up. If you want to do it, but are not willing to bow down, don't bother.


#64 Nov 15 2009 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
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BrownDuck wrote:
I don't get why people invent code names for the restroom anyway. When I gotta go, I generally excuse myself by saying "I have to use the restroom." or depending on the situation, nothing at all.
This, though I'm generally more crass and just say "need to pee, be right back". So is my girlfriend though.

As for the rest of the smaller stuff, I just do it to be nice. I'll hold open a door for anyone who happens to be walking behind me, male or female. If you're going to ***** about something like that, fuck off.

Ordering your meal for you though? That's just stupid. I have no idea what you want to eat.

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#65 Nov 15 2009 at 11:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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BrownDuck wrote:
I don't get why people invent code names for the restroom anyway. When I gotta go, I generally excuse myself by saying "I have to use the restroom." or depending on the situation, nothing at all.

When I'm out with a guy it's common courtesy to invite him along with when I go to the bathroom. If we're lucky we can score the handicap stall with the handrails.

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#66 Nov 16 2009 at 6:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bardalicious wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
GwynapNud the Irrelevant wrote:
One of my Ex's was glared at by the waiting staff in an expensive restuarant when I took the bill and paid (it was a special occasion for him) Smiley: rolleyes
That's because, in general, women tip less.

From my experience, this is false. When I was a waiter I got consistently better tips from women.
When I was a waiter and bartender, I got good tips from guys and great tips from women, as did most of the guys. However, the female waitstaff always got good-great tips form guys and horrendoues tips from women. Guys tip well in general, while women only tip guys well, in general.
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#67 Nov 16 2009 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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I find most of these formalities insulting to women, but maybe that's just me.

#68 Nov 16 2009 at 11:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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trickybeck wrote:

I find most of these formalities insulting to women...


That's what my wife says too. Until I stop doing them, that is. Then it's "blah, blah, blah, the romance is gone, blah, blah, blah chivalry is dead" et cetera ad nauseum.
#69 Nov 16 2009 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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The only one on that list that I've found myself doing would be the meal ordering but that highly depends on the situation and girl. If she tells me what she wants and seems kinda shy about ordering it, I'll go ahead and order for her. If not, I won't. That really only applies to fast food too, I can't recall ever doing that at a sit down place.

I'll do the odd friendly door opening, but that certainly doesn't apply only to women.
#70 Nov 16 2009 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
GwynapNud the Irrelevant wrote:
One of my Ex's was glared at by the waiting staff in an expensive restuarant when I took the bill and paid (it was a special occasion for him) Smiley: rolleyes
That's because, in general, women tip less.

From my experience, this is false. When I was a waiter I got consistently better tips from women.
When I was a waiter and bartender, I got good tips from guys and great tips from women, as did most of the guys. However, the female waitstaff always got good-great tips form guys and horrendoues tips from women. Guys tip well in general, while women only tip guys well, in general.

It might of been because I waited in a college town and frat boys aren't known for their generosity.

Also, if my date ordered for me I'd be damn insulted, regardless of who's paying. I'd assume that hetero couples would function about the same

at least at the dinner table.
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Bardalicious wrote:
It might of been because I waited in a college town and frat boys aren't known for their generosity.
It's probably because you're a flaming **** and you made them uncomfortable. I waitered/bartended in a university city too.
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#72 Nov 16 2009 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
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It might of been because I waited in a college town and frat boys aren't known for their generosity.
It's probably because you're a flaming **** and you made them uncomfortable. I waitered/bartended in a university city too.

It's true, my fabulousness does make others feel bad/uncomfortable about their own lackluster lives.
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Ranzera wrote:
The only one on that list that I've found myself doing would be the meal ordering but that highly depends on the situation and girl. If she tells me what she wants and seems kinda shy about ordering it, I'll go ahead and order for her. If not, I won't. That really only applies to fast food too, I can't recall ever doing that at a sit down place.

Shy about ordering fast food? Do you date girls from feudal Japan or something?

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trickybeck wrote:
Ranzera wrote:
The only one on that list that I've found myself doing would be the meal ordering but that highly depends on the situation and girl. If she tells me what she wants and seems kinda shy about ordering it, I'll go ahead and order for her. If not, I won't. That really only applies to fast food too, I can't recall ever doing that at a sit down place.

Shy about ordering fast food? Do you date girls from feudal Japan or something?



If I make my husband order for me at McDonalds, no one can tell that all three of those Bic Macs are for me! Smiley: grin
#75 Nov 16 2009 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
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trickybeck wrote:

I find most of these formalities insulting to women, but maybe that's just me.
How?
#76 Nov 16 2009 at 9:00 PM Rating: Good
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trickybeck wrote:
Ranzera wrote:
The only one on that list that I've found myself doing would be the meal ordering but that highly depends on the situation and girl. If she tells me what she wants and seems kinda shy about ordering it, I'll go ahead and order for her. If not, I won't. That really only applies to fast food too, I can't recall ever doing that at a sit down place.

Shy about ordering fast food? Do you date girls from feudal Japan or something?



If I make my husband order for me at McDonalds, no one can tell that all three of those Bic Macs are for me! Smiley: grin
You can also sit happily in your uncomfortable plastic chair while he gets to talk to fast food employees.
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