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#52 Nov 13 2009 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
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It's the hive mind, you know. All liberals are actually superior human mutants and telepathically connected. That's why I don't have to personally defend myself, I simply beam my liberal thoughts over to the rest of the 'zam Asylum team who are awake and they do it for me.


That sounds like the premise of that alternate history book where Hitler became a science fiction author.
#53 Nov 13 2009 at 10:59 AM Rating: Default
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Homosexual + homosexual = no marriage, heterosexual + heterosexual = marriage


Going to fix this for you. It isn't about saying "Let's stick it to them there homos" its:

Man+Woman=Marriage
Woman+Man=Marriage

Said man and woman can be anything, any race, ethnicity, religion, political ideology, etc. And that is what marriage had been defined as Man+Woman(And since it has been defined just that way, the previously mentioned variables have no impact on it, having the same sex for one of the two involved does). That is also what a number of states have decided now.

Going on with this now we can point out the difference. Marriage is Man+Woman.

Woman+Woman!/ Man+Woman
Man+Man !/ Man+Woman

Since neither of these are Man+Woman they do not qualify for marriage.

It isn't about picking on the poor oppressed homosexuals, its about marriage.

If its about being able to use the word marriage, get over it and make up your own word that you can give its own definition, problem solved.




#54 Nov 13 2009 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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Act out? You mean by refusing to participate in a mandatory prayer during the graduation from my public high school? By actually asking the principal who told us to "shut up and pray" if we had a problem with it? Dude, I wasn't acting out. My rights were being violated and I was the only one with the balls to say anything. Everyone else was all impressed with me in secret apparently. All lame *** ballsacks who said NOTHING.


It would have been acting out if you heiled and prayed to hitlerjesus or something.
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#55 Nov 13 2009 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Going on with this now


Why would you want to?

In what state of mind would you ever consider that something with which it is appropriate to go?
#56 Nov 13 2009 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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It isn't about picking on the poor oppressed homosexuals, its about marriage.

Yes, marriage that is denied to homosexuals.

Edit - as far as giving marriage a different name so that it doesn't exclude some - cool with me. Lets call marriage a union or something. I don't care as long as it's the same thing whether the two people are gendered the same or differently.

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 6:23pm by Elinda
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#57 Nov 13 2009 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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But why? That's not an argument at all. What difference would it make if the definition were changed, really? There's a minority of people that want a harmless right and why not give it to them; why not? Why give them something under a different name when they could just be lumped under the same "word" as everyone else, what's the point in seperation?

I have yet to see a single reason against gay marriage that doesn't involve the random flailing of definitions and "but..but.. this is how it's always been!". The gays aren't exactly coming to steal our marriages.
#58 Nov 13 2009 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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AlexanderrOfAsura wrote:
Going on with this now we can point out the difference. Marriage is Man+Woman.

Woman+Woman!/ Man+Woman
Man+Man !/ Man+Woman

Since neither of these are Man+Woman they do not qualify for marriage.


Wow! You're a regular genius for understanding the entire point of the same-sex marriage movement. Well done!

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It isn't about picking on the poor oppressed homosexuals, its about marriage.


What gay person you know has said "They won't let me marry because they're trying to pick on me! And I'm oppressed!"? Oh, no one? Weird.

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If its about being able to use the word marriage, get over it and make up your own word that you can give its own definition, problem solved.


Having a hard time coming out of the closet because Mommy may take your allowance away? There, there. Get a job and things will be much better.

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 12:40pm by CBD
#59 Nov 13 2009 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's been too long since our last Gay Marriage thread. Why, it's sunk all the way to #22 on the first page!

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 11:44am by Jophiel
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#60 Nov 13 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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It's part of The Gay Agenda. We're going to have one a week until everyone here finally gives in.
#61 Nov 13 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's been too long since our last Gay Marriage thread. Why, it's sunk all the way to #22 on the first page!

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 11:44am by Jophiel


I think everyone should marry a gay. They'd be our little token spouse #2 (or #1 in some cases). Having a gay around the house could be handy at times, I suppose.
#62 Nov 13 2009 at 11:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Having a gay around the house could be handy at times, I suppose.

Picking out dress socks.

Also, butt sex.
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#63 Nov 13 2009 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Having a gay around the house could be handy at times, I suppose.

Picking out dress socks.

Also, butt sex.


Depending on level of kink, the two could go hand in hand. Or something in something, anyway.

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 11:55am by BrownDuck
#64 Nov 13 2009 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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Having a gay around the house could be handy at times, I suppose.

Picking out dress socks.

Also, butt sex.
Your Ben & Jerry's bill probably goes up a lot.

So I guess it's like regular marriage.
#65 Nov 13 2009 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
And just think of the savings when it comes time to redecorate?

Man, having a gay around the house is starting to sound pretty decent.
#66 Nov 13 2009 at 11:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Also, having a man around who could be brutally honest without offense would be handy.

"Yes, hon, that dress does make you look fat. Let me get my sewing kit."

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#67 Nov 13 2009 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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His temper tantrums could outclass those of any given 16-year-old girl.
#68 Nov 13 2009 at 12:02 PM Rating: Default
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But why? That's not an argument at all. What difference would it make if the definition were changed, really? There's a minority of people that want a harmless right and why not give it to them; why not? Why give them something under a different name when they could just be lumped under the same "word" as everyone else, what's the point in seperation?


Well, considering the vast majority of the people here are liberals, the easiest answer would be to point out that it offends people. Certain groups might be offended if you were to change the definition of marriage, and use that word for something else, they don't want the word used for something else. What is wrong with just not using it? Just come up with a different word, then poof, most people are happy, if they aren't then they have to think up a different argument that is neither religious, nor based on definitions. There is one actually, but no need to go into that now.



#69 Nov 13 2009 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, giving blacks the right to vote offended some people, too. Quite a lot of people, in fact.

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#70 Nov 13 2009 at 12:10 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah, giving blacks the right to vote offended some people, too. Quite a lot of people, in fact.


Yeah.. changing the definition of a word might be just a tad different from allowing or not allowing a group of people to participate in the political process merely because of the color of their skin.

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 1:19pm by AlexanderrOfAsura
#71 Nov 13 2009 at 12:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah.. changing the definition of a word might be just a tad different from allowing or not allowing a group of people to participate in the political process merely because of the color of their skin.


So, uh, how about that changing of equality from "seperate but 'equal'" to integration?
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#72 Nov 13 2009 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Having a gay around the house could be handy at times, I suppose.


I know a sub that was looking for a top last summer. I could ask around and see if he still wants one. Only problem is need needs a bit of training still.

If Jonwin found a sub willing to clean and cook, I would be very happy to share our bed with them. Either gender is okay with me. since we both have a think for redheads.

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 1:42pm by ElneClare
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#73 Nov 13 2009 at 1:10 PM Rating: Excellent
Does two gay people getting married hurt you directly? No.

Does two gay people getting married hurt you indirectly? If you go with the Varrus or Gbaji school of thought, it indirectly increases your taxes since two previously single filers now get to married-filing-jointly, but they complain that everything anyone does increases their taxes, so I find the argument a little superfluous.

Does it hurt your children? No.

Does it hurt the gay's children? Well, if they have any from a previous marriage, or from artificial insemination or adoption, it could be argued that having two fathers or mothers can mess them up. However, it can also be argued that having a strong family unit, regardless of the sex and genders of the parents, is way more important and far more beneficial for the kid than having a single parent. Plenty of messed up kids come from weak family units with a mother and father, because the bond between the parents wasn't strong enough and they stayed together "for the sake of the children." Kids know when their parents aren't happy.

Does it hurt society? Massachusetts is still around. It hasn't been smited nor blow up with a meteorite. In fact, it's going on pretty much as it did before.

The majority of arguments against gay marriage boil down to "gay sex is gross, I don't like it, and I'm squicked out by the thought of men married to each other having buttsex (although I secretly watch lesbian ****.)"

If God didn't intend for it to be natural, He wouldn't have made it feel so good.
#74 Nov 13 2009 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, giving blacks the right to vote offended some people, too. Quite a lot of people, in fact.


Yeah.. changing the definition of a word might be just a tad different from allowing or not allowing a group of people to participate in the political marital process merely because of the color of their skin their orientation.

#75 Nov 13 2009 at 4:10 PM Rating: Excellent
I've liked the idea of abolishing state sponsored marriage and giving everyone civil unions since I thought it up a year ago. I doubt I was the first one to think it up, but it sounds like a great plan to me! If you want to have a religious civil union, that can be a marriage.

Also, I firmly support opening up civil unions to partnerships involving more than just two people, but I'm also all for ethical ****-dom.
#76 Nov 13 2009 at 8:19 PM Rating: Default
Catwho, I am going to try and just avoid the whole issue of benefits since that is something that it seems you have had explained to you and refuse to listen to, waste of time there.

But how about this, does not calling it marriage hurt the homosexuals? No

Does it change the fact that the two people have committed themselves for life to each other? No

So why does it need to be called marriage?

It wouldn't be too far off to assume that the view of you and others on here is that aside from being mean, misinformed, etc that conservatives are petty and will latch on to anything in hopes that they can hurt minorities. If that's the case, why not do something so simple as not give them something to latch on to?

If what your big concern is is allowing homosexuals to be in a committed relationship and have that recognized, why have it be stalled merely because of a word? Use a different word and problem solved. Don't spend all your time fighting conservatives over a simple word, giving them something to attack you on.
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