So if you have Facebook or Twitter friends around the ages of 16-30 who own an XBox 360, it is incredibly likely that they've been posting updates about the new Call of Duty game. One of the big controversies with it has been a mission where you play as a US soldier attempting to infiltrate a Russian terrorist group. In this particular mission, you fight your way through a Russian airport, killing (likely) hundreds of unarmed civilians as well as some airport security and later some military units. A video of some of this mission is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCoaZNjuLSI
Warning, that video might be computer animated, but it is very graphic.
Now, the publisher has included a checkpoint where you can skip the civilian massacre part. Also you as the player do NOT need to personally kill any civilians (but you can't stop the terrorists from doing so; shooting them will make them all shoot you dead). The game is rated M, which means it is against the law to sell it to anyone under 17, but that doesn't stop inattentive parents from buying it for their children, nor friends giving it younger friends, etc.
I'm not one for censoring access to media outside of the rating system, but obviously this has raised the issue of terrorism and copy-cap incidents, or making this be the foundation for school shootings. Do you think the game has gone too far?
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IT'S A ******* GAME!!!
Hellboy the Hand wrote:
IT'S A @#%^ING GAME!!!
And they give you the option to skip the level.
Paskil wrote:
Hellboy the Hand wrote:
IT'S A @#%^ING GAME!!!
And they give you the option to skip the level.
When did killing Russians become a bad thing?
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Hellboy the Hand wrote:
Paskil wrote:
Hellboy the Hand wrote:
IT'S A @#%^ING GAME!!!
And they give you the option to skip the level.
Yes, but that is unrealistic. No kid is going to go to school thinking he'll be able to blow someone's head off in one punch. If they got their hands on an assault rifle, however...
So you get the option to skip the level? What, is that so you feel like even more of a badass when you make the choice to go shoot up a bunch of commie pinkos? Yes, these are the kinds of feelings I support instilling in our youth.
I'm not for censoring video games, mind you. I'm more of an advocate for attentive parenting. However, that's never going to happen on a large scale, so I will still argue against exposing children to things like this.
Guenny wrote:
Yes, but that is unrealistic. No kid is going to go to school thinking he'll be able to blow someone's head off in one punch. If they got their hands on an assault rifle, however...
So you get the option to skip the level? What, is that so you feel like even more of a badass when you make the choice to go shoot up a bunch of commie pinkos? Yes, these are the kinds of feelings I support instilling in our youth.
I'm not for censoring video games, mind you. I'm more of an advocate for attentive parenting. However, that's never going to happen on a large scale, so I will still argue against exposing children to things like this.
So you get the option to skip the level? What, is that so you feel like even more of a badass when you make the choice to go shoot up a bunch of commie pinkos? Yes, these are the kinds of feelings I support instilling in our youth.
I'm not for censoring video games, mind you. I'm more of an advocate for attentive parenting. However, that's never going to happen on a large scale, so I will still argue against exposing children to things like this.
Meh.
The rating on the game is good enough.
Just make all the unarmed civilians unarmed **** civilians.
Controversy solved!
Controversy solved!
Just as Planned.
If a kid plays this scene and actually enjoys it, then there's more problems with that kid than just the video game.
Timelordwho wrote:
Just make all the unarmed civilians unarmed **** civilians brown men in turbans.
Controversy solved!
Controversy solved!
Fixed.
They should have changed that level by making you have to sneak around and kill the terrorists by only using you shoelaces. Kids won't be able to learn anything except how to tie their shoes that way.
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Guenny wrote:
Yes, but that is unrealistic. No kid is going to go to school thinking he'll be able to blow someone's head off in one punch. If they got their hands on an assault rifle, however...
So you get the option to skip the level? What, is that so you feel like even more of a badass when you make the choice to go shoot up a bunch of commie pinkos? Yes, these are the kinds of feelings I support instilling in our youth.
I'm not for censoring video games, mind you. I'm more of an advocate for attentive parenting. However, that's never going to happen on a large scale, so I will still argue against exposing children to things like this.
So you get the option to skip the level? What, is that so you feel like even more of a badass when you make the choice to go shoot up a bunch of commie pinkos? Yes, these are the kinds of feelings I support instilling in our youth.
I'm not for censoring video games, mind you. I'm more of an advocate for attentive parenting. However, that's never going to happen on a large scale, so I will still argue against exposing children to things like this.
Meh.
The rating on the game is good enough.
Good enough for what? To prevent all parents from buying it for their elementary school children? Unlikely. As I said, I'm not going to say we need to censor video games, that's futile and unnecessary. It just makes me sad to know that games like this will inevitably end up in the hands of a child who will just become even more desensitized. I mean, it's not an earth-shattering issue, but it's pretty on par with "I watched my 7 year old beat Halo 3 on hard mode at 3am!!".
Won't somebody please think of the children?
Guenny wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Guenny wrote:
Yes, but that is unrealistic. No kid is going to go to school thinking he'll be able to blow someone's head off in one punch. If they got their hands on an assault rifle, however...
So you get the option to skip the level? What, is that so you feel like even more of a badass when you make the choice to go shoot up a bunch of commie pinkos? Yes, these are the kinds of feelings I support instilling in our youth.
I'm not for censoring video games, mind you. I'm more of an advocate for attentive parenting. However, that's never going to happen on a large scale, so I will still argue against exposing children to things like this.
So you get the option to skip the level? What, is that so you feel like even more of a badass when you make the choice to go shoot up a bunch of commie pinkos? Yes, these are the kinds of feelings I support instilling in our youth.
I'm not for censoring video games, mind you. I'm more of an advocate for attentive parenting. However, that's never going to happen on a large scale, so I will still argue against exposing children to things like this.
Meh.
The rating on the game is good enough.
Good enough for what? To prevent all parents from buying it for their elementary school children? Unlikely. As I said, I'm not going to say we need to censor video games, that's futile and unnecessary. It just makes me sad to know that games like this will inevitably end up in the hands of a child who will just become even more desensitized. I mean, it's not an earth-shattering issue, but it's pretty on par with "I watched my 7 year old beat Halo 3 on hard mode at 3am!!".
Won't somebody please think of the children?
We do, why else would we buy them those awesome toys and games?
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Guenny wrote:
If they got their hands on an assault rifle, however...
I know, I know! Restrict access to assault rifles.
After all, video games don't kill people, (usually american) kids with assault rifles kill people.
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Just make all the unarmed civilians unarmed **** civilians brown men in turbans brown **** communists, like Hussein Obama.
Controversy solved!
Controversy solved!
Fixed.
Even better!
Just as Planned.
Guenny wrote:
Good enough for what? To prevent all parents from buying it for their elementary school children? Unlikely. As I said, I'm not going to say we need to censor video games, that's futile and unnecessary. It just makes me sad to know that games like this will inevitably end up in the hands of a child who will just become even more desensitized. I mean, it's not an earth-shattering issue, but it's pretty on par with "I watched my 7 year old beat Halo 3 on hard mode at 3am!!".
Won't somebody please think of the children?
Won't somebody please think of the children?
Good enough for a parent to make an informed decision. If they can't be bothered, why should I?
That may sound callous, but not only do I have no way of being able to parent every child in the world, but I don't want to do that, and no one else should have to do that.
One could make the same argument about movies. Should we stop making gory movies because a parent might not bother to look at the rating and let his/her seven year old watch "Faces of Death 5?"
I actually saw "Faces of Death 5" when I was about 12 or so. It wasn't all that good, and I didn't end up murdering my high school graduating class, oddly enough.
Guenny wrote:
Hellboy the Hand wrote:
Paskil wrote:
Hellboy the Hand wrote:
IT'S A @#%^ING GAME!!!
And they give you the option to skip the level.
Yes, but that is unrealistic. No kid is going to go to school thinking he'll be able to blow someone's head off in one punch. If they got their hands on an assault rifle, however...
So you get the option to skip the level? What, is that so you feel like even more of a badass when you make the choice to go shoot up a bunch of commie pinkos? Yes, these are the kinds of feelings I support instilling in our youth.
I'm not for censoring video games, mind you. I'm more of an advocate for attentive parenting. However, that's never going to happen on a large scale, so I will still argue against exposing children to things like this.
Guenny wrote:
Hellboy the Hand wrote:
Paskil wrote:
Hellboy the Hand wrote:
IT'S A @#%^ING GAME!!!
And they give you the option to skip the level.
Yes, but that is unrealistic. No kid is going to go to school thinking he'll be able to blow someone's head off in one punch. If they got their hands on an assault rifle, however...
You mean like kids that think they can fly or jump off tall buildings because they played the latest superhero game?
Darkdoom the Venerable wrote:
If a kid plays this scene and actually enjoys it, then there's more problems with that kid than just the video game.
WTF?! Do you even play video games?
Guenny wrote:
Yes, but that is unrealistic. No kid is going to go to school thinking he'll be able to blow someone's head off in one punch. If they got their hands on an assault rifle, however...
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Been wondering when this would come up.
No, it's not too far.
Yeah, it probably won't. That doesn't change the solution to "well I guess we should just take this off the shelves if parents aren't going to be responsible enough."
No, it's not too far.
Guenny wrote:
I'm not for censoring video games, mind you. I'm more of an advocate for attentive parenting. However, that's never going to happen on a large scale, so I will still argue against exposing children to things like this.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I actually saw "Faces of Death 5" when I was about 12 or so. It wasn't all that good, and I didn't end up murdering my high school graduating class, oddly enough.
Yet.
Comics, movies, and violence are all way to violent for children. BAN THEM! BAN THEM ALL!
All I have to say is they need more security in that airport.
/sigh. Why do people only read what they want to read? I said in both of my posts, "I am not advocating censoring video games". So why are you all arguing with me as if I did say "BAN THEM ALL"? Is it because I'm the only voice of serious dissent thus far and you are all foaming at the mouth to prove your points? My point was my sadness with the fact that children are exposed to this. There's nothing I can do about it, and I'm not saying there is a viable solution. It's sad like watching a grown man walk out of a rated R movie with his 3 year old. It happens all the time, I know, I'm not naive, but that doesn't mean that I have to be happy about it. And just because I'm not happy about it, that doesn't mean that my stance has to be "bam any and everything that isn't puppies and rainbows". There is a gray area, people.
feelz wrote:
All I have to say is they need more security in that airport.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Guenny wrote:
/sigh. Why do people only read what they want to read? I said in both of my posts, "I am not advocating censoring video games". So why are you all arguing with me as if I did say "BAN THEM ALL"? Is it because I'm the only voice of serious dissent thus far and you are all foaming at the mouth to prove your points? My point was my sadness with the fact that children are exposed to this. There's nothing I can do about it, and I'm not saying there is a viable solution. It's sad like watching a grown man walk out of a rated R movie with his 3 year old. It happens all the time, I know, I'm not naive, but that doesn't mean that I have to be happy about it. And just because I'm not happy about it, that doesn't mean that my stance has to be "bam any and everything that isn't puppies and rainbows". There is a gray area, people.
Guenny wrote:
so I will still argue against exposing children to things like this.
I'm actually agreeing with you.
Edited, Nov 11th 2009 3:44pm by bsphil
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
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