Stupak amendment won't cover miscarriagesFollow

Which is what makes it all the more annoying.

The real betrayal is from the 23 Dems that voted for the amendment, then voted against the final bill. They are attracting a lot of unwanted attention from other Dems in their districts itching for a primary.

It has nothing to do with not being able to FIND a baby sitter. Give me a ******* break. It has to do with not being able to AFFORD a baby sitter/day care. Day care is not cheap. A lot of the times, it makes more sense for a mother to stay home and take care of the newborn herself than it does for her to go back to work and pay for day care. This is especially troubling when you have a single mother. If she makes just a little bit above the cost of daycare, she's definitely going to need government assistance to take care of the rest of her bills. And yes, I do know families in this situation.

You know, if we had 100% comprehensive sex education in schools, starting at an age BEFORE kids starting having sex, abortion rates would go down significantly. If schools teach children that they just shouldn't have sex until they get married, there's going to be a lot of teenagers having unprotected sex, and getting STD's and getting pregnant as a result. That's exactly what happened during the Bush administration. People need to be taught how to use birth control and condoms properly before they engage in sexual activity. You talk as if you think people go out and have sex recklessly on purpose. They don't. The Obama administration has even come out and said that their stance on abortion is that it should be legal and available, but a rare occurrence. I support this 100%. Abortion is not an ideal method of birth control. We have birth control pills, and many other kinds of birth control to help prevent pregnancy. If used correctly, they do work. They're also a lot cheaper than abortions. This is a mistake a lot of anti-choicers make. Pro-choice people are not pro-abortion, we just believe that it should be legal and available when it is needed. We fully support reducing abortion rates, through education, not through making abortion illegal or impossible to get.

I was adopted, and I was anti-choice for a pretty good chunk of my teen years. THAT was out of selfishness. My reasoning for being anti-choice was because I wouldn't be here if my biological mother had chosen to get an abortion. When I went away to college and got out of my conservative hometown, I grew up and grew out of that mind set. It's true that I wouldn't be here if my biological mom had gotten an abortion, but you know what? If she had, I wouldn't know the difference would I?

Abortions don't just happen because of a pregnancy occurring at an inconvenient time. If a woman gets pregnant and she cannot afford the child, I do not see a reason why she should be forced to bring the child into this world. You yourself have complained about women bringing up children in poverty and how it creates a vicious cycle of poverty. You could say that she should give the baby up for adoption. Do you know how many kids are out there waiting to be adopted? There's thousands. The babies that get snatched up for adoption right away are usually white babies with no health problems, but those babies are pretty small in number. Most babies in the foster care system either have some sort of health problem (usually drug related) or are black, hispanic or asian. The foster care system is very broken right now, and there's lots of kids out there who do not have good foster homes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all foster homes/parents are bad, there's some good ones out there for sure, but there's also a lot of them that do not have the child's best interest in mind.

I take it you're one of the people who believe that life begins at conception? I would disagree. Until the fetus is in the third trimester and can viable live on its own after it's born, it is potential life. If a being cannot survive on its own, it is not alive. That's my opinion anyways. I'll probably get **** from you and the other conservatives here for saying this, but before a baby can survive on its own, it is in fact a parasite. It leeches nutrition from the mother and grows and develops based on that. If you were to remove the fetus before the third trimester, it will die as it hasn't developed enough to survive. Once you reach the third trimester however, most of the time the fetus can survive on its own with the help of modern technology. I do not support late term abortions personally (although politically I do) except if the mother's life is in danger. Hell, I don't even think I could get an abortion myself unless it was threatening my life. But just because I personally wouldn't get an abortion doesn't mean I have the right to tell another woman what to do with her body.

The correct answer to zepoodle was:

And 100% failsafe in every case!

Ok, you can stop breathing my air now.

Are you smart enough to figure out how the majority of the oxygen you breathe is now supplied by taxpayers and otherwise by other private individuals?

You can clutch your weapons to your breast, because the police aren't gonna protect you from the bigger men than you.

You can also get off my roads, off my internet, off all my good and services manufactured by ex public-school students, turn off your water mains, and disconnect your gas and electricity. I don't know how far they've privatised infrastructure in the States, but I bet I can guarantee that in all that hybrid mess, the government supplies the sub-infrastructure that makes all the private infrastructure possible.

You are a useless parasite, and you are putting a rent in society with your utter ignorance, incomprehension and complete lack of foresight, empathy, or of knowledge of where your own interests truly lie. Your rending of the social compact is a fucking tragedy, because you are a proselytising parasite, so the wound you inflict on your community is a festering, puss-filled sore that spreads like a gangrenous fever of maniacally ignorant, hateful, spiteful, xenophobic, me-only, self-delusional, hypocritical SHIT.

You are so your reasoning processes are so void of empathic input, the idea that other people have reasoning brains, that you might even be a corporate sociopath, one of those destructive sociopaths whose only grace is that they don't directly kill anyone themselves, they just make every co-worker or acquaintance in their life around them a misery and a hardship.

Edited, Nov 11th 2009 8:23am by Aripyanfar

And you never thought that maybe the responsible option to failed birth-control is to catch a foetus before it becomes self-aware, and kill it before it becomes a baby and a child growing up in a position where all available environments for it are damaging circumstances? There's no generations of crime and poverty if the child isn't born into such a cycle in the first place.

NOT my fault all you guys were sleeping when I got to a 204 post thread that fired me up to read all of it, and then reply to the salient bits that piqued me. If I replied ALL in one big wall of text no-one would read it.

God Varus is a shithead. Which has the merit of being more entertaining than Gbaji boringly missing the point of what's wrong with the current hospital paperwork and how it interacts with this amendment, and what's actually wrong with the amendment itself.

You don't want to foot the bill for some ******* kids that a woman has when she's unmarried, but you don't want her having an abortion either. This is your stance?

While I'm sure there are some women out there that truly don't care and use abortion as birth control, I'd have to think that those women are in the extreme minority. For almost everyone I know, abortion is an absolute last resort, something that no one takes lightly and something that, while is the best solution for them, will still cause them some remorse and even depression.

The one girl I know first-hand to have had an abortion was having regular unprotected sex with her partner. She was a lovely girl, but she's never really been the same. She never told her boyfriend about it and they separated a short while after.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but I can't look at something like that and not think about how much better it could have been if she had just made him use a condom.

Varus doesn't really understand how governments work.

You do realize that failing to care for the ******* child is a death sentence right?

You don't seem to understand.

Your choices are to murder a living being that can't feel pain, or to effectively murder two living beings by causing each an immeasurable amount of pain. You are not escaping the blood on your hands by banning abortion. You are bloodying your hands more.

Edited, Nov 11th 2009 10:25am by Pensive