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#52 Nov 10 2009 at 9:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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You know the fetus was already dead right?


And the article was all about how poor women can't afford to have the fecal matter removed so her health is at risk unless taxpayer money bails her out.



You'd think a right-to-lifer wouldn't confuse "fecal" with "fetal". Your Freudian slip is showing.

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#53 Nov 10 2009 at 9:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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You'd think a right-to-lifer wouldn't confuse "fecal" with "fetal". Your Freudian slip is showing.

Varus just doesn't know how the babies get out of a mommy's belly after God puts them there. There's a special hole for that, Varus, they don't have to come out of the mommy's butt.
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#54 Nov 10 2009 at 9:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's a difference between caring about every child and allowing irresponsible women to continue to make the same mistakes.


Unfortunately you chief of hypocrisy, sometimes, there isn't a difference. Sometimes, in terms of function, there isn't the slightest bit of wiggle room that you can effect. You want there to be no governmental endorsement of abortion; you can then either completely distance yourself from the reality that more indigent children are on the way, or try to actually take care of them.

The fact of the matter is that sometimes we need to pick one good at the sacrifice of another. You've picked yours. It's selfish, totally incompassionate, and shows that you don't actually give a sh*t about children, and by your own words in more quotes than I could count, care about your money and taxes, on principle no less, rather than some actual monetary hardship imposed onto you, above the lives of actual children who you would force into the world without even making the slightest attempt to care for them, but that's not the worst part, and that's not the part that fills me with revulsion and contempt for your very ability to vote.

The worst part is that, in the ultimate hypocrisy of your own values, you don't even try to own it. You meticulously delude yourself into some vision of having compassion and care for every child, the unborn ones even, giving them the chance for life (oh look at me I'm such a @#%^ing philanthropist) as long as you don't ever have to face the consequences of, or take responsibility for, that delusional malice and sexist hate masquerading as "compassion," which you force onto other people everytime you choose to vote. Most of the time I hold a moderate amount of respect for you because of your intellectual honesty, much as I disagree with the principles involved, but not here.

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#55 Nov 10 2009 at 9:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
You'd think a right-to-lifer wouldn't confuse "fecal" with "fetal". Your Freudian slip is showing.

Varus just doesn't know how the babies get out of a mommy's belly after God puts them there. There's a special hole for that, Varus, they don't have to come out of the mommy's butt.


Though sometimes it does feel that way
#56 Nov 10 2009 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Imagine the outcry is Viagra were singled out as not being covered under a medical plan?


I imagine it will be akin to prohibition.

But then, I'm a "stupid ****" because I am pro-choice, so what do I know?

It takes the sting away a little when you're called a "****" by a guy who pretends to be able to fuck everything with tits within a 50 mile radius.
#57 Nov 10 2009 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
Imagine the outcry is Viagra were singled out as not being covered under a medical plan?


I imagine it will be akin to prohibition.

But then, I'm a "stupid ****" because I am pro-choice, so what do I know?

It takes the sting away a little when you're called a "****" by a guy who pretends to be able to fuck everything with tits within a 50 mile radius.


Well, you are a **** Belkira. And your little cervix too.
#58 Nov 10 2009 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Ambrya wrote:
Imagine the outcry is Viagra were singled out as not being covered under a medical plan?


I imagine it will be akin to prohibition.

But then, I'm a "stupid ****" because I am pro-choice, so what do I know?

It takes the sting away a little when you're called a "****" by a guy who pretends to be able to fuck everything with tits within a 50 mile radius.


As long as they're confused enough to respond to a Man-Seeking-Man ad.

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#59REDACTED, Posted: Nov 10 2009 at 10:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pensive,
#60 Nov 10 2009 at 10:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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By giving the irresponsible ones who created a child they can't afford more money? I'd rather the babies are adopted by responsible people who actually give a damn and can afford them.


Ooooh yeah I've heard about this. The adoption clinics run by right-to-lifers that promise to pamper and take care of pregnant teenagers if they promise to give the baby up for adoption.

Guess what? Those clinics are basically adoption factories for rich, white couples that can't have children or are too cheap to do IVF, but are too prejudiced to adopt a black or asian child (which are, oddly enough, more readily available.) If at any point one of the white mothers decides that she wants to keep her child, she's called a **** and kicked back out on the streets.

I wonder if IVF is going to be covered, for that matter? Thousands of embryos are created and destroyed in the process of just trying to get a couple of viable ones, dozens of more potential babies killed than by a woman who has had one abortion in her life.
#61 Nov 10 2009 at 10:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
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you can then either completely distance yourself from the reality that more indigent children are on the way, or try to actually take care of them.


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care about your money and taxes, on principle no less, rather than some actual monetary hardship imposed onto you, above the lives of actual children who you would force into the world without even making the slightest attempt to care for them,


By giving the irresponsible ones who created a child they can't afford more money? I'd rather the babies are adopted by responsible people who actually give a damn and can afford them.

Certainly allowing these same sluts to perpetuate this cycle of poverty is detrimental to society. I'm not against increasing govn funding going to foster parents who care for these problem children. I am against allowing these children to stay in the same environment that causes generation after generation to remain on welfare.



What about when they aren't adopted? There are only a finite number of people who want to adopt. Guess who foots the bill, one way or another? Hint: Society (which curiously enough, includes you) does. It's cheaper to apply preventative approaches to the problem rather than nonproductive approaches.
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#62 Nov 10 2009 at 10:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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By giving the irresponsible ones who created a child they can't afford more money? I'd rather the babies are adopted by responsible people who actually give a damn and can afford them.

Certainly allowing these same sluts to perpetuate this cycle of poverty is detrimental to society. I'm not against increasing govn funding going to foster parents who care for these problem children. I am against allowing these children to stay in the same environment that causes generation after generation to remain on welfare.


A wonderful way to stop women from having unwanted babies is for men sluts like you to stop being promiscuious.
#63REDACTED, Posted: Nov 10 2009 at 10:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Timey,
#64 Nov 10 2009 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:

Certainly allowing these same sluts to perpetuate this cycle of poverty is detrimental to society.



I'm still not seeing where you're getting "****" from the story of a MARRIED women, with a WANTED pregnancy, who unfortunately had a natural miscarriage which needed medical intervention to prevent potentially life-threatening complications.

Are you ever going to address the actual issues brought up by the articles, or are you just going to bloviate and tilt at straw men all day?
#65REDACTED, Posted: Nov 10 2009 at 10:57 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,
#66 Nov 10 2009 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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It's cheaper to apply preventative approaches to the problem rather than nonproductive approaches.


Which is why I support forcing any person who receives govn welfare to get their tubes tied, or vasectomy.

I don't mind the food stamps as much but just giving someone free housing and welfare checks is wrong if you truly believe a free society is the way to go.



Celebrate a free society by forcibly taking away someone's right to reproduce just because their socio-economic status doesn't meet your exacting standards. Yuh-huh. Right.

#67 Nov 10 2009 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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People like me would never dream of leaving a woman because she's pregnant. And in reality she'd get a lawyer and tax the sh*t out of me if she decided she didn't want to be with me anymore, as unlikely as that is.


True. It is unlikely that a woman would let you touch her with your slimey hands.
#68 Nov 10 2009 at 11:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Celebrate a free society by forcibly taking away someone's right to reproduce just because their socio-economic status doesn't meet your exacting standards. Yuh-huh. Right.


Varrus believes in his own right to choose, no one elses.
#69REDACTED, Posted: Nov 10 2009 at 11:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ambrya,
#70REDACTED, Posted: Nov 10 2009 at 11:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,
#71 Nov 10 2009 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
By giving the irresponsible ones who created a child they can't afford more money? I'd rather the babies are adopted by responsible people who actually give a damn and can afford them.

Certainly allowing these same sluts to perpetuate this cycle of poverty is detrimental to society. I'm not against increasing govn funding going to foster parents who care for these problem children. I am against allowing these children to stay in the same environment that causes generation after generation to remain on welfare.

You are blatantly ignoring the issue at hand for your own screwed-up agenda.

What's being discussed here is a medical procedure which eliminates the risk of bodily injure or death to an otherwise healthy child-bearing woman. I always thought medical insurance and health care was for this exact purpose.

Let me pose another question - should medical insurance be available to cover live births? Or should only those who can afford the hospital stay, procedures and neonatal care out of pocket be allowed to reproduce?
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#72 Nov 10 2009 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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True. It is unlikely that a woman would let you touch her with your slimey hands.


You know you want some of my funtastic lovin.



She's not a dude, so you wouldn't be interested.
#73 Nov 10 2009 at 11:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ambrya wrote:
Are you ever going to address the actual issues brought up by the articles, or are you just going to bloviate and tilt at straw men all day?



Rhetorical question is rhetorical.

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#74 Nov 10 2009 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
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Celebrate a free society by forcibly taking away someone's right to reproduce just because their socio-economic status doesn't meet your exacting standards. Yuh-huh. Right.


Theft should never be celebrated in a free society. Apparently you think it's ok to steal from someone to support someone else, I don't.

You're living on the wrong planet if you're still convinced that taxes = theft. You sound pretty unAmerican to me.
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I'm pretty uninterested in the whole abortion debate thing today but, if you're concerned about this amendment, this would be the time to write to your House & Senate Congresscritters and say "Hey, I heard this amendment, as written, prohibits [your gripe here]." If it does prohibit operations for miscarriages then that can be changed in the language. How far reaching it affects privately funded abortions can be changed. I'm not saying it will be but, if you care enough to grouse here, at least die knowing that you groused to someone who can actually do something about it.

If you're interested in seeing health care reform pass, also consider flipping a few bucks to the DSCC and/or the DCCC. Building a warchest for the 2010 elections can help the Democrats as they attempt to take new seats and give them the financial cover to defend Congresscritters in red districts/states who vote to support health care reform.
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#76 Nov 10 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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Well, if you're telling everyone else where to grouse, care to tell me where I can grouse?
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