How about "sand in your ********" as a male equivalent? After all, implying someone's a woman is not offensive to them, is it? Unless you're a horribly sexist person, of course! Oh, wait, I forgot you guys mutilated your genitals on your side of the pond.
You people disgust me.
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
A fetus doesn't spread like cancer, but it's parasitic like one, it grows like one, steals important nutrients from you and saps your energy like one, and can kill you like one.
No, no, yes and no. A fetus is not parasitic the way cancer is parasitic since it doesn't devour surrounding tissue. It doesn't displayed uncontrolled cell division. It does take nutrients from you and give little back, but so does your appendix. And if a pregnancy does kill you, it will be due to miscarriage or medical complications that form a minority of all pregnancies. Cancer just ******* kills you almost one hundred per cent of the time.
You may as well have said that someone's appendix is a cancer. It would fit under your definition.
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How could a ******, itself, have a ******?
More importantly, how did sand get in it?
Actually, my appendix is extremely useful to me. It's the source of my divinity.
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You may as well have said that someone's appendix is a cancer. It would fit under your definition.
Okay then fine, **** it. I have other things to do than play "pedantry Olympics" with you tonight.
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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You may as well have said that someone's appendix is a cancer. It would fit under your definition.
Okay then fine, @#%^ it. I have other things to do than play "pedantry Olympics" with you tonight.
Amateur appendectomy?
Kavekk wrote:
How about "sand in your ********" as a male equivalent?
This is, unfortunately, highly anti-Semitic.
Edited, Nov 12th 2009 2:26am by zepoodle
Yey, our flag gets to be next to another gold medal.
ETA: Great, now I look crazy. Have you learned nothing from Allegory?
Edited, Nov 12th 2009 2:28am by Kavekk
ETA: Great, now I look crazy. Have you learned nothing from Allegory?
Edited, Nov 12th 2009 2:28am by Kavekk
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
A fetus doesn't spread like cancer, but it's parasitic like one, it grows like one, steals important nutrients from you and saps your energy like one, and can kill you like one. Are you truly stupid enough not to be able to realize how @#%^ing harmful a pregnancy can be to someone's health? This isn't something up for debate: a fetus is a parasite, and the "sense of malignancy" absolutely is present in one, and unless you, with specific intention, granted permission for that parasite to be in your body, then there is not even the slightest ethical imperative to treat it as anything but a malignant bundle of flesh.
Jesus Pensive!
A cancer also doesn't develop into a separate living individual organism capable of speech and complex thought either. Curing cancer also does not doom our species to extinction. It was a moronic comparison, ok?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Ambrya wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
Oh, and that 2% of women that actually feel good during pregnancy? They are aliens and should be shot.
I didn't feel GOOD during pregnancy, but I will admit some things were better. Nearly two years with only a few migraines was fun. It has been a bit of a rude shock to emerge from lactational amenorrhea with a brand-spanking-new case of PMDD. I'm thinking I would rather be pregnant. Even with those wacky mood swings, my mood was way more stable than it is now during my luteal phase.
Close enough. I'm gettiin' mah bazooka.
gbaji wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
A fetus doesn't spread like cancer, but it's parasitic like one, it grows like one, steals important nutrients from you and saps your energy like one, and can kill you like one. Are you truly stupid enough not to be able to realize how @#%^ing harmful a pregnancy can be to someone's health? This isn't something up for debate: a fetus is a parasite, and the "sense of malignancy" absolutely is present in one, and unless you, with specific intention, granted permission for that parasite to be in your body, then there is not even the slightest ethical imperative to treat it as anything but a malignant bundle of flesh.
Jesus Pensive!
A cancer also doesn't develop into a separate living individual organism capable of speech and complex thought either.
The same can be said for some fetuses.
Nadenu wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
A fetus doesn't spread like cancer, but it's parasitic like one, it grows like one, steals important nutrients from you and saps your energy like one, and can kill you like one. Are you truly stupid enough not to be able to realize how @#%^ing harmful a pregnancy can be to someone's health? This isn't something up for debate: a fetus is a parasite, and the "sense of malignancy" absolutely is present in one, and unless you, with specific intention, granted permission for that parasite to be in your body, then there is not even the slightest ethical imperative to treat it as anything but a malignant bundle of flesh.
Jesus Pensive!
A cancer also doesn't develop into a separate living individual organism capable of speech and complex thought either.
The same can be said for some fetuses.
Case in point: Varrus.
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A cancer also doesn't develop into a separate living individual organism capable of speech and complex thought either. Curing cancer also does not doom our species to extinction.
And neither of these were the point you moron; if you had responded something like, "well Pensive, cats are a very important component in happiness" it would have been more relevant. At least zepoodle disagreed in a way that showed he actually comprehended the function of the point, even though he disagreed with the particular semantic content. See, when I say to him, "man you can't read can you" I don't actually mean to imply that he literally cannot read, but rather to make a barbed riposte; you, however, actually can't read. You've totally missed even the intention: the functional relevance of how a fetus behaves and the harm it causes to a person who harbours it.
What I"m saying here is, whether I'm right or wrong, you won't ever be able to notice.
Sir Kavekk wrote:
ETA: Great, now I look crazy. Have you learned nothing from Allegory?
The perfect crime.
Nadenu wrote:
gbaji wrote:
A cancer also doesn't develop into a separate living individual organism capable of speech and complex thought either.
The same can be said for some fetuses.
The same can be said for a lot of things though, right? We don't run around calling all of them the same as the others though.
No cancer will develop into a human being. Most fetuses will. The outcome of a process is kinda important in terms of how we decide to treat that process. Regardless of how one comes down on the issue of abortion, it's absurd to make the kind of comparison Pensive made.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
The same can be said for a lot of things though, right? We don't run around calling all of them the same as the others though.
No cancer will develop into a human being. Most fetuses will. The outcome of a process is kinda important in terms of how we decide to treat that process. Regardless of how one comes down on the issue of abortion, it's absurd to make the kind of comparison Pensive made.
No cancer will develop into a human being. Most fetuses will. The outcome of a process is kinda important in terms of how we decide to treat that process. Regardless of how one comes down on the issue of abortion, it's absurd to make the kind of comparison Pensive made.
I hate it when I agree with gbaji. Even if it's only a little.
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
You've totally missed even the intention: the functional relevance of how a fetus behaves and the harm it causes to a person who harbours it.
Oh I "got it", Pensive. I just think it's a childishly moronic approach to the issue. It ignores 90% of the question at hand while zeroing in on one minute and somewhat irrelevant aspect.
By your argument, I should legally be able to abort you right now. You certainly do sap the resources of the rest of humanity and so far have contributed nothing. You are a parasite. Perhaps you should not be so hasty to dismiss the ethical reasons some hold in opposition to abortion. They may very well also be the only thing preventing you from becoming a nice portion of soylent green.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
By your argument, I should legally be able to abort you right now. You certainly do sap the resources of the rest of humanity and so far have contributed nothing. You are a parasite.
Wow. You just compared Pensive to Ayn Rand. That actually happened.
Well, that's it for me. I'm going to head down to the bookstore and start killing people. Maybe myself. I don't know, I'll wing it.
I think this is the most "on top of things" gbaji has ever been. I'm half expecting to win the lottery without even playing, or to have a fairy godmother appear.
Please?
Edited, Nov 11th 2009 10:37pm by CBD
Please?
Edited, Nov 11th 2009 10:37pm by CBD
CBD wrote:
I think this is the most "on top of things" gbaji has ever been. I'm half expecting to win the lottery without even playing, or to have a fairy godmother appear.
I'm half-expecting a naked Ayn Rand to appear and brutally rape me with a copy of The Fountainhead.
You know what I find funnier than using superfluous to tell someone their language is superfluous? gbaji telling someone their examples/comparisons are nothing like the real thing.
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The outcome of a process is kinda important in terms of how we decide to treat that process.
Nope. Potential is entirely irrelevant to whether or not you should keep a baby. Keeping or aborting is a decision you make in the present, not the future. If you've already accepted the baby, you can start planning for the future. The only time you'd ever consider the potential is if you've already decided that you want it.
To be honest I'm amazed that anyone is making a **** now about this comparison. I made the exact same one as my very first post in this thread.
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Oh I "got it", Pensive.
You don't have a fucking clue. Your attempted reconstruction demonstrates this beautifully. The fact that you think that anything I've said reflects upon my own drain/contribution ratio towards society is the most ludicrous interpretation of moral patiency, analogy, or attempt at reductio I've ever seen in my life. You see, gbaji, I do not have the potential to develop into a human being. I have the potential to develop into a better human being. I already, however, am one. The predicates about my humanness can and will change, but not the subject itself.
A fetus is not a human being. It's not an immature human being, and not a stupid human being, and not a human being with any sort of predicate that you could care to append. It is not a moral patient, and provides a clear and present source of potential danger, as well as simple hardship, or even stress, to at the very least one woman, and possibly lots of other people. This is not a choice between a lazy college student and some nebulous social drain, you cretin. It is a choice between nurturing something which is, by the most charitable understanding, just barely morally relevant at all, and the lives of the potential parents who are going to be tasked with its development. It is no fucking contest.
There is not even the slightest hand-wringing in deciding between a true and live person's happiness, and the "life" of some being that is at barely licking the teat of sentience and humanity. I have no compulsion to have sympathy for a fetus, much less legislate protections for it, under the condition that it's unwanted, in comparison to the wishes of the mother; it is, after all, her choice, and her choice, is to be made for her.
gbaji wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
gbaji wrote:
A cancer also doesn't develop into a separate living individual organism capable of speech and complex thought either.
The same can be said for some fetuses.
The same can be said for a lot of things though, right? We don't run around calling all of them the same as the others though.
No cancer will develop into a human being. Most fetuses will. The outcome of a process is kinda important in terms of how we decide to treat that process. Regardless of how one comes down on the issue of abortion, it's absurd to make the kind of comparison Pensive made.
I hate it when people miss the point.
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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Like "Mary is as fast as a freight train." You said "A fetus is like cancer," so the only possible shared themes you could have wanted to express was a sense of malignancy that is absolutely not present in the fetus.
A fetus doesn't spread like cancer, but it's parasitic like one, it grows like one, steals important nutrients from you and saps your energy like one, and can kill you like one. Are you truly stupid enough not to be able to realize how @#%^ing harmful a pregnancy can be to someone's health? This isn't something up for debate: a fetus is a parasite, and the "sense of malignancy" absolutely is present in one, and unless you, with specific intention, granted permission for that parasite to be in your body, then there is not even the slightest ethical imperative to treat it as anything but a malignant bundle of flesh.
Comparing a fetus to a cancer for the purpose of casual discussion is one thing. To outright declare that a fetus is nothing more than a parasitic, malignant bundle of flesh invading its host is ridiculously absurd.
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Go away.
Haha you're funny.
I don't really know what it is you seek with your overzealous emotionally charged debate that often results in little more than you attempting to elevate yourself above your "competition" by attacking their language skills while superficially bolstering your own, but I find it pretty hard to take anyone seriously when every argument they have ends up in a downward spiral of insecurity, anger, frustration, pedantry and the occasional disregard for all things rational.
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No cancer will develop into a human being.
Oh, I dunno. You did, sorta.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I would describe gbaji and his ilk as a cancer on humanity.
ETA: I hit post reply before Samira posted, it just took a while to compose this masterpiece.
Edited, Nov 12th 2009 4:03am by Kavekk
ETA: I hit post reply before Samira posted, it just took a while to compose this masterpiece.
Edited, Nov 12th 2009 4:03am by Kavekk
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