Stupak amendment won't cover miscarriagesFollow

So you're OK with paying for the ******* child while it's waiting for adoption to come through?

You're still paying for the kid who ends up in the foster system through taxes, you moron. Not every kid who is put up for adoption now gets out of the system. There will be an influx of kids thrown in there if we follow your "no abortion, only adoption" rule.

Lord, you're stupid.

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Let's be honest here varus. You don't give a *********** about life, and neither do I in practice. We make up lots of pretty and idealistic stories to remember, but hardly anyone actually cares about life in anything more than the abstract. You destroy indefinitely large sums of life every day in destroying bacteria, squashing ants, drinking glasses of water, or eating hamburgers, and you don't give a crap. Unless you are some sort of exceedingly devout Jainist monk who brushes away the path before him with feathers to avoid stepping on microbes, and wears a breathing mask every instant of your life to prevent the accidental inhalation of tiny little bugs, you have murdered more living beings in a single year than you could ever do if you were to, tomorrow, become an abortion surgeon yourself, and started actively working to "murder" clusters of unintelligent cells round the clock. Not good enough for you? Then we can start talking of the ludicrous amounts of human lives you ruin, including the "freedom" thereof, by participating in an imperialist culture run by a market.

Allowing abortions is nothing.

Yes, you do. You cry over and over and over about how we MUST have tort reform. You're trying to strip me of my liberties.

If your answer is "I'm okay stacking MY reductions in liberty on yours so we BOTH get to reduce liberties" then that's fine. Just admit that you want to strip people of their freedom.

Once again, your sexist tendencies rear their ugly heads.

Why do you hate women, Varrus?

For that matter, why do so many conservatives hate women? Why is it the woman's fault that abortion happens? And only the woman's fault? Why do you call women who need to get an abortion "whores," but don't bother chastising the men who knock them up?

The woman should have said "no" obviously. Regard not the seductive wiles of horny males bent on obtaining sex in relationships, or even dates, nor the failure of the apparently expected (and imagined) precognitive ability of the female sex to divine whether or not a father will leave the state, nor the neither ubiquitous nor uncommon hoarding of sexual knowledge, because none of these things are important regarding responsible sex practices.

Besides, everyone knows that the man can't possibly be at fault. Most dames are totally asking for it anyway. You can't blame a male for falling prey to the insidious femme fatale!

A friend of mine from an office years ago when I was still young and impressionable grew up in a fundie household. She was a classic case - she had on a purity ring and was pro-abstinence, anti-choice, a member of the church choir, etc etc. Then when she was 15 she believed the lies of her then-boyfriend, that she couldn't get pregnant if he pulled out in time. So she was teen pregnant at 15, in a fundie household.

She told her mother, ashen-faced, and her mother dragged her down to an abortion clinic where they had protested together just weeks before and had the procedure done.

She kicked her daughter out of the house three days later, because she couldn't stand to have "a baby killer under her roof." Wow, nice change of heart there! Go go fundie mom!

Fortunately, the girl was able to move in with an aunt who was a bit more sympathetic so she could finish high school.

This story more than anything irked me about the blatant hypocrisy of the anti-choice crowd. If her mother had REALLY believed the **** she was spewing, she would have had her first grandchild a bit earlier than expected. Instead, she forced her daughter into a procedure she previously swore she was against, then kicked her out of the house for going through with it.

Actually... no, it's not. That's why abortion is legal.

And I see the point you're making about men. I think I may be in the minority when I say that I believe that the man's input should definitely be considered when a woman is involved in an unwanted pregnancy. However, it's ultimately her body. When we are able to implant that fetus into a man and he can worry about carrying it to term and taking maternity leave, we'll talk about how much say a man has in the decision. That doesn't mean I hate men. It means that the reality is that a woman carries the kid to term, not a man.

I hope America bans abortion, my tribe has already voted to allow abortions if it did happen. That would be a good chunk of change since we're one of the closer tribes to San Diego.