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#27 Nov 13 2009 at 8:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
No. You said 90%. You conveniently skipped the one republican city.

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Really Joph?

Yes. Although I made a mistake. There is one Republican on the list.

Man, you sure got me there. I probably should have just screamed "SEMANTICS!!!!!" over and over for a couple pages instead of immediately admitting that I made a mistake.

Really, I don't even care about the rest of your babbling opinions on what matters and what doesn't. It was just funny to watch you try to stick it to me and fail miserably Smiley: laugh

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 8:19pm by Jophiel
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#28 Nov 13 2009 at 8:19 PM Rating: Default
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MDenham wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
That wasn't my claim. I said that 80% of the safest cities in the US had Democratic leadership.


No. You said 90%. You conveniently skipped the one republican city.
Actually, he said 90% first, then went back and checked, and a later post has the correction.


I know. I was just tweaking him a bit for it... ;)


Of course, if I had made a similar mistake, we'd be subjected to a page and a half of Joph insisting that I'm "backpedaling" now that the facts don't match what I originally stated, and no matter how minor and irrelevant the error was, he'll insist that it's proof that my entire position on the issue at hand is wrong.


I'll settle for a tiny tweak. Fair?

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#29 Nov 13 2009 at 8:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Of course, if I had made a similar mistake, we'd be subjected to a page and a half of Joph insisting that I'm "backpedaling"

If you had made a similiar mistake, you wouldn't have noticed it until I pointed it out to you because you don't bother to check this shit before insisting that it's true.
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#30 Nov 13 2009 at 8:54 PM Rating: Good
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You do realize that many of these "Dixiecrats" who fought integration bolted to the Republican party in the late sixties and early 70's, right?



And you do realize Dixiecrats was more of a 3rd party that disolved more than a decade before the Civil Rights struggles of the 60's?

And yes some of thier members did become Republicans (for varied reason, mostly due to state rights issues) and a lot of thier members remained life long Democrats.

But you knew all this though right? Of course you did...........



You understand that words in quotes do not precicely mean what they usually mean, right?

Let me help you, you confused little boy.

In the 1930s, after the New Deal under Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a realignment occurred. Much of the Democratic Party shifted towards economic intervention and support for civil rights and liberties. After the crises of the Great Depression, World War II, and the beginning of the Cold War, Southern Democrats began to drift from the mainstream of the party. The formation of the Dixiecrat movement heralded an end to the New Deal coalition. For more than a century, white Southerners had overwhelmingly been Democrats, but in 1948 many bolted from the party, angered by Harry Truman's efforts to abolish or ameliorate the effects of racial segregation, and supported Strom Thurmond's third-party candidacy for president.

In 1968, Alabama's Democratic former governor George C. Wallace ran for President on the American Independent Party ticket, and swept the electoral votes of the Deep South. The American Independent Party failed to keep its foothold in the South. Its 1972 candidate was John G. Schmitz, a John Bircher from California, whose strongest showing in the 1972 election was 10% in Idaho, but who did poorly in the South. Subsequent southern Dixiecrats running on the American Independent Party ticket included Lester Maddox and John Rarick, but these campaigns did not succeed either.


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And yes some of thier members did become Republicans (for varied reason, mostly due to state rights issues) and a lot of thier members remained life long Democrats.



Is continuing to suppress an entire race a "states' rights" issue?
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#31 Nov 13 2009 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Friar Bijou wrote:

ThiefX wrote:
And you do realize Dixiecrats was more of a 3rd party that disolved more than a decade before the Civil Rights struggles of the 60's?

And yes some of thier members did become Republicans (for varied reason, mostly due to state rights issues) and a lot of thier members remained life long Democrats.


In the 1930s, after the New Deal under Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a realignment occurred. Much of the Democratic Party shifted towards economic intervention and support for civil rights and liberties. After the crises of the Great Depression, World War II, and the beginning of the Cold War, Southern Democrats began to drift from the mainstream of the party. The formation of the Dixiecrat movement heralded an end to the New Deal coalition. For more than a century, white Southerners had overwhelmingly been Democrats, but in 1948 many bolted from the party, angered by Harry Truman's efforts to abolish or ameliorate the effects of racial segregation, and supported Strom Thurmond's third-party candidacy for president.

In 1968, Alabama's Democratic former governor George C. Wallace ran for President on the American Independent Party ticket, and swept the electoral votes of the Deep South. The American Independent Party failed to keep its foothold in the South. Its 1972 candidate was John G. Schmitz, a John Bircher from California, whose strongest showing in the 1972 election was 10% in Idaho, but who did poorly in the South. Subsequent southern Dixiecrats running on the American Independent Party ticket included Lester Maddox and John Rarick, but these campaigns did not succeed either.


I'm unclear how your post in any way refutes the post you responded to.

So the dixicrats were a third party. They failed. And many of them returned to the Democrat part (including Strom Thurman himself). Um... What point were you trying to make?


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And yes some of thier members did become Republicans (for varied reason, mostly due to state rights issues) and a lot of thier members remained life long Democrats.



Is continuing to suppress an entire race a "states' rights" issue?


Politicians are rarely focused or defined by a single issue. He's saying that those who joined the Republican party didn't do it because they felt that the GOP was a better place to pursue their own racist agenda (as you suggest), but that they did it because in a political environment in which that issue was dead, other issues became more important and they picked the Republican party because their positions on states rights and opposition to the growing progressive movement espoused by Democrats.

Not rocket science.


EDIT: Bah! Mixed up Thurmond and Byrd. Whatever...

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 7:42pm by gbaji
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#32 Nov 13 2009 at 10:50 PM Rating: Good
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Friar Bijou wrote:
ThiefX wrote:
And you do realize Dixiecrats was more of a 3rd party that disolved more than a decade before the Civil Rights struggles of the 60's?

And yes some of thier members did become Republicans (for varied reason, mostly due to state rights issues) and a lot of thier members remained life long Democrats.
In the 1930s, after the New Deal under Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a realignment occurred. Much of the Democratic Party shifted towards economic intervention and support for civil rights and liberties. After the crises of the Great Depression, World War II, and the beginning of the Cold War, Southern Democrats began to drift from the mainstream of the party. The formation of the Dixiecrat movement heralded an end to the New Deal coalition. For more than a century, white Southerners had overwhelmingly been Democrats, but in 1948 many bolted from the party, angered by Harry Truman's efforts to abolish or ameliorate the effects of racial segregation, and supported Strom Thurmond's third-party candidacy for president.

In 1968, Alabama's Democratic former governor George C. Wallace ran for President on the American Independent Party ticket, and swept the electoral votes of the Deep South. The American Independent Party failed to keep its foothold in the South. Its 1972 candidate was John G. Schmitz, a John Bircher from California, whose strongest showing in the 1972 election was 10% in Idaho, but who did poorly in the South. Subsequent southern Dixiecrats running on the American Independent Party ticket included Lester Maddox and John Rarick, but these campaigns did not succeed either.


gbaji wrote:
I'm unclear how your post in any way refutes the post you responded to.



You're smarter than this.


gbaji wrote:
Politicians are rarely focused or defined by a single issue.


but in 1948 many bolted from the party, angered by Harry Truman's efforts to abolish or ameliorate the effects of racial segregation, and supported Strom Thurmond's third-party candidacy for president.
Smiley: dubious

I'll add that most Republicans around here are Republicans primarily because they are the anti-abortion party.

gbaji wrote:
Not rocket science.


No shit. Many former Democrats who were bigoted @#%^s left the party to become Republicans because the Democrats were no longer the party of bigoted @#%^s. Not hard to figure out at all!!!


EDIT: Left out a word

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 11:49pm by Bijou
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#33 Nov 14 2009 at 12:54 AM Rating: Default
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You are smarter than this Gbaji, you know Friar doesn't have an answer for you and Liberals will never admit they made a mistake.

Friar posted a ignorant comment and no matter how many times you point it out he will never admit it.
#34 Nov 14 2009 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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You're smarter than this.


You are smarter than this Gbaji, you know Friar doesn't have an answer for you and Liberals will never admit they made a mistake.

Friar posted a ignorant comment and no matter how many times you point it out he will never admit it.
I'll summarize the point it looks like Bijou is trying to make, and not doing a good job:

There's a reason why he had "Dixiecrats" in quotes originally - he's referring not just to the original Dixiecrats, but also to the successor parties of the same or substantially similar platform, such as the AIP.

Whether or not the rest of it is relevant to much of anything, or is just general Republi-bashing, I'm not going to bother analyzing because you make me embarrassed to have a substantial number of conservative beliefs.
#35 Nov 14 2009 at 1:59 AM Rating: Good
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You're smarter than this.


You are smarter than this Gbaji, you know Friar doesn't have an answer for you and Liberals will never admit they made a mistake.

Friar posted a ignorant comment and no matter how many times you point it out he will never admit it.


You're both wrong, he isn't.
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