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#1 Nov 06 2009 at 8:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is the Houses's big bill of health care. It may be voted on as early as tomorrow.

It is big - 2000 pages.

Highlights:
  • The bill would require the HHS Secretary to negotiate provider reimbursement rates rather than tie them to Medicare.
  • Requires all individuals to have insurance.
  • Establishes Health Insurance Exchange.
  • Requires employers to provide health insurance
  • Bans insurance companies from denying coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

  • I was hoping to see the burden of health insurance nudged away from the shoulder of the employer. But that might be too radical at this point. I also would hope to see more in cost control, but maybe that will be tied to the negotiated rates and the competition within the exchange.

    Anyway, I guess I'm pro-bill because I think we need to get something passed sooner rather than later. Once a gov. health care oversight and provision system is up and running, hopefully the fine tuning can take over.

    My Congressperson (D) says she'll vote for it. Maines other congressperson (R) is waffling, reportedly, his ties to the blue collar paper-makers is causing him some heartburn as they are pressuring him to vote 'yes' also.

    How would you vote:
    YEA:40 (88.9%)
    NAY:4 (8.9%)
    ABSTAIN (explain):1 (2.2%)
    Total:45















    Edited, Nov 6th 2009 3:37pm by Elinda
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    #2 Nov 06 2009 at 8:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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    I say go for it. My Congresscritter says the same despite having been elected to a slightly red district (traditionally; not surprisingly it went to Obama last year). What a rebel!
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    #3 Nov 06 2009 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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    I voted to Abstain. I agree with a couple points of the bill. I like how it will ban insurance coverage from denying insurance because of pre-existing conditions and how it requires employers to provide insurance.

    The biggest problems I have with this bill is that it requires all individuals to have insurance. People will have to pay a fee every year if they don't have insurance. This is what I disagree with. My husband and I don't have health insurance because we cannot afford it, and his work does not offer it. We both have pre-existing conditions that would make our policy even higher than what it would be as well. If this bill passes in its current form, we do not have the money to pay the fees. We are among the millions of America that are considered "The working poor." Thankfully, my daughter is in the children's Medicaid program, so at least she is getting the medical attention she needs (immunizations, check-ups, etc...)

    Please don't misunderstand me. I do not want free healthcare. I just want affordable healthcare, so my husband and I can get the medical attention we need.
    #4 Nov 06 2009 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
    Sevlrin wrote:
    My husband and I don't have health insurance because we cannot afford it, and his work does not offer it.


    If this bill passes his employer would have to.

    I'd vote yea, but I'd do it begrudgingly. I can see the value in at least establishing a jump-off here, but this is nowhere near what I want.
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    Sevlrin wrote:
    The biggest problems I have with this bill is that it requires all individuals to have insurance. People will have to pay a fee every year if they don't have insurance. This is what I disagree with. My husband and I don't have health insurance because we cannot afford it, and his work does not offer it.

    This is part of the reason for the public option. People who can prove need can receive subsidized insurance through the government program at a lower cost than available otherwise. The fines are for people who won't buy insurance rather than those who can't buy insurance.
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    #6REDACTED, Posted: Nov 06 2009 at 9:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You know how I voted. Unemployment at almost 11%, if this health bill passes it's going to push it to 15%.
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    publiusvarus wrote:
    You know how I voted. Unemployment at almost 11%, if this health bill passes it's going to push it to 15%.

    It's a good thing we'll have insurance then!
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    #8REDACTED, Posted: Nov 06 2009 at 9:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,
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    Jophiel wrote:
    This is part of the reason for the public option. People who can prove need can receive subsidized insurance through the government program at a lower cost than available otherwise. The fines are for people who won't buy insurance rather than those who can't buy insurance.


    Sorry. I didn't see a public option. If there is one, then I will support it. Too bad, I can't change my vote in the poll to yes.
    #10 Nov 06 2009 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
    publiusvarus wrote:
    You know how I voted. Unemployment at almost 11%, if this health bill passes it's going to push it to 15%.


    You still haven't taken my bet about that 15% figure you love so much.
    #11 Nov 06 2009 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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    Sevlrin wrote:
    Sorry. I didn't see a public option.

    I blame Elinda for not being clear enough!

    Yes, the House bill has a public option.
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    #12 Nov 06 2009 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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    publiusvarus wrote:
    You know how I voted. Unemployment at almost 11%, if this health bill passes it's going to push it to 15%.


    Where did you learn math to find that 10.2% is rounded up to 11%?
    #13 Nov 06 2009 at 9:38 AM Rating: Excellent
    Jophiel wrote:
    Yes, the House bill has a public option.


    I feel more confident about my "yea," then.

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    LockeColeMA wrote:
    Where did you learn math to find that 10.2% is rounded up to 11%?
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    #15 Nov 06 2009 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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    Yes, sorry. Here, maybe this is a better summary. The Public Option is within, well really IS the Health Insurance Exchange portion of the bill.

    opencongress wrote:

    This is the big health care reform bill in the House of Representatives that will be debated and voted on during the week of November 2nd. It is the final, reconciled version of the health care bill that was amended by three House committees over the summer. Broadly, it seeks to expand health care coverage to the approximately 40 million Americans who are currently uninsured by lowering the cost of health care and making the system more efficient. To that end, it includes a new government-run insurance plan (a.k.a. a public option) to compete with the private companies, a requirement that all Americans have health insurance, a ban on denying coverage because of a pre-existing condition and, to pay for it all, a surtax on individuals with incomes above $500,000.


    You can read all 2000+ pages HERE, if you'd like. Smiley: smile
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    #16 Nov 06 2009 at 9:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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    Sevlrin wrote:
    I voted to Abstain. I agree with a couple points of the bill. I like how it will ban insurance coverage from denying insurance because of pre-existing conditions and how it requires employers to provide insurance.

    The biggest problems I have with this bill is that it requires all individuals to have insurance. People will have to pay a fee every year if they don't have insurance. This is what I disagree with. My husband and I don't have health insurance because we cannot afford it, and his work does not offer it. We both have pre-existing conditions that would make our policy even higher than what it would be as well. If this bill passes in its current form, we do not have the money to pay the fees. We are among the millions of America that are considered "The working poor." Thankfully, my daughter is in the children's Medicaid program, so at least she is getting the medical attention she needs (immunizations, check-ups, etc...)

    Please don't misunderstand me. I do not want free healthcare. I just want affordable healthcare, so my husband and I can get the medical attention we need.
    It seems to me that the numbers of individuals and families in situations like yours is one big reason why health care reform is so important. It's designed to make insurance affordable for you. No, not free, but affordable through various means.

    It may seem scary to be 'forced' to buy health insurance, but I would think it would be scarier knowing that you are just one illness or accident away from despondency.

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    #17 Nov 06 2009 at 9:53 AM Rating: Excellent
    I also would have liked a clause in there that insurance companies can't deny you because of a lapse in coverage, but perhaps that's included in the pre-existing bit.

    Say you had insurance from Jan 2005 to July 2009. Your new insurance plan kicked in on 8/15/09. In 2010, you're diagnosed with breast cancer. Right now, insurance companies can deny your coverage for treatments because you could have developed the cancer those first fifteen days of August when you had no insurance.

    Totally stupid, but that's why healthcare needed reform.
    #18 Nov 06 2009 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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    Where did you learn math to find that 10.2% is rounded up to 11%?
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    #19 Nov 06 2009 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
    The AMA & AARP want it so I'm assuming it passes.
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    #20 Nov 06 2009 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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    Elinda,

    Thank you for posting about the healthcare bill. If I could change my vote from abstain to yes, I would. When I made my post, I was not aware there was a public option contained in it. Now that I know, I will support it.

    It is sad that there are families like mine out there. This is one of the things that keeps me awake at night. When my family was exposed to the H1N1 flu, I had to make arrangements with my parents in California (we live in Utah) to come and get my daughter in case I or my husband came down with it. Fortunately, we never did come down with it.

    I guess that's why it's annoying when I see certain posters claim that those who don't have insurance, don't want it. My husband and I would love to have insurance. We just can't afford it.
    #21 Nov 06 2009 at 10:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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    Sevlrin wrote:
    If I could change my vote from abstain to yes, I would.

    Don't sweat it. Congress rarely comes to Forum=4.
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    #22 Nov 06 2009 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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    I voted yes. It's not quite all I would want, but at this point I'll be glad if we can get anything to pass, considering how much the Dems have been conceding to appease a party that only wants blood.
    #23 Nov 06 2009 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
    Belkira the Tulip wrote:
    Jophiel wrote:
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    Where did you learn math to find that 10.2% is rounded up to 11%?
    TN


    Smiley: bah


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    #24 Nov 06 2009 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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    Jophiel wrote:
    Sevlrin wrote:
    If I could change my vote from abstain to yes, I would.

    Don't sweat it. Congress rarely comes to Forum=4.
    They really should.
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