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#1 Nov 04 2009 at 10:02 AM Rating: Default
First time in 44yrs NJ has had a member of the GOP elected govn.
#2 Nov 04 2009 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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So they elected a fat scumbag. Way to go.
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#3 Nov 04 2009 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/ap_on_el_ho/us_ny_special_election

And the Democrat takes the house seat in NY, for the first time since Civil War days. What's your point?
#4 Nov 04 2009 at 10:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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What's your point?
That we all celebrate our successes.


Yay Republicans! Yay Democrats!
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#5 Nov 04 2009 at 10:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Technogeek wrote:
What's your point?
That we all celebrate our successes.


Yay Republicans! Yay Democrats!


Yay Naderists!

Although this one is not quite as common, granted.
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#6 Nov 04 2009 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yay Tare-erists!

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#7 Nov 04 2009 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
Smiley: lol
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First time in 44yrs NJ has had a member of the GOP elected govn.

Congratulations for them. I wouldn't call it a "take over" since the state legislature remains Democratic.
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#9 Nov 04 2009 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
Most amusing is when Christie is going to be arrested and forced to step down for corruption charges in a few months.

The reason Corzine lost is because NJ ******* hated Corzine, and they'd rather take a tubby guy who is under investigation for nepotism and a few other things than have Corzine as governor any more.
#10REDACTED, Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 12:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Actually what is most amusing is Obama pretending not to care who won; especially considering he campaigned for them.
#11 Nov 04 2009 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Obama's from Illinois. He knows as well as anyone that getting a Republican governor doesn't make it a red state on a federal level.
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#12 Nov 04 2009 at 1:40 PM Rating: Default
Joph,

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Obama's from Illinois. He knows as well as anyone that getting a Republican governor doesn't make it a red state on a federal level.


Then why campaign for them?

#13 Nov 04 2009 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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Obama's from Illinois. He knows as well as anyone that getting a Republican governor doesn't make it a red state on a federal level.


Then why campaign for them?


Because blue is prettier than red. You're arguing the wrong thing.

Is it worse for the democrats that a republican is governor? Yes.
Does it make a difference/indicate a shift in politics/overthrow the race for the HoR in the future? No.

See? It can be a negative without being something REALLY bad. It would have been nice to win some governorships, but the legislature remains democratic, PLUS democrats picked up a seat in NY; which, I might add, was helped a bit by republican in-fighting.
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Then why campaign for them?

Ok, take a piece of paper and on one end write "Completely worthless and no one cares". On the other end write "Critically important and earth-shattering".

Ok, now fill in the space in the middle and you'll have your answer.
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#15 Nov 04 2009 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
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First time in 44yrs NJ has had a member of the GOP elected govn.


12 years, genius. Just how fucking stupid are you? Yes, the long 8 year Democratic stranglehold on the NJ Gov office has finally ended. Free at last, free at last!!! The party of a state governor rarely has much to do with the state's electorate. Mitt Romney was the governor of MA.

That said, this was a good pick up for the GOP. Not worth losing the House seat in NY 23 because morons like you drove out an actual viable candidate in favor of losing.
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#16 Nov 04 2009 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/ap_on_el_ho/us_ny_special_election

And the Democrat takes the house seat in NY, for the first time since Civil War days. What's your point?


It's odd that this statement of "fact" has been repeated over and over and over (By Pelosi even), yet it's blatantly false

The last time a Democrat represented the NY 23rd district was in 1993. Unless the Civil War happened a whole lot more recently than I recall, I suspect someone is playing games with redistricting effects to try to make something out of nothing.
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#17 Nov 04 2009 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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That said, this was a good pick up for the GOP. Not worth losing the House seat in NY 23 because morons like you drove out an actual viable candidate in favor of losing.


This is funny coming from the guy constantly accusing us conservatives of being in "lockstep" with our party. You know "blindly partisan" and all that? Conservatives supported the more conservative candidate over the Republican party and you're still criticizing? Inconsistent much?
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#18 Nov 04 2009 at 5:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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That's one way to read it, I guess. Throwing the position away in a fit of pique is another.

At any rate the NY seat had been Pubbie far, far longer than NJ has had a Dem governor.

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At any rate the NY seat had been Pubbie far, far longer than NJ has had a Dem governor.


16 years is "far far longer" than 12 years? Really?

One is a single district seat in a single state out of a 435 otherwise identical seats in the US house of Representatives. The other is the governorship of an entire state. Now admittedly, we are talking New Jersey here, but there's still only 50 of them, so that's something...
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#21 Nov 04 2009 at 6:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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16 years is "far far longer" than 12 years? Really?

Geographic portions of the district hadn't had a Democratic House Rep since the mid 1800's but it's kind of blurred due to redistricting. NY-23 from 1993 isn't the same NY-23 from 2009.
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#22 Nov 04 2009 at 6:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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What Joph said.

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Samira wrote:
What Joph said.

This.

What was funny was this quote from Wikipedia:
lolWiki's entry for the 23rd District race wrote:
The 23rd had historically been one of the more Republican districts in the Northeast. Some sources have reported that seat had been in Republican hands since 1873 but Wikipedia reports elsewhere that there have been 17 Democrats elected from this district since the Civil War, and some portions of the district--including the largest city, Watertown--hadn't been represented by a Democrat since 1851, when the Whig Party still existed.

Apparently Wikipedia is now its own cite Smiley: laugh

Edited, Nov 4th 2009 7:22pm by Jophiel
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Jophiel wrote:
Samira wrote:
What Joph said.

What was funny was this quote from Wikipedia:
lolWiki's entry for the 23rd District race wrote:
The 23rd had historically been one of the more Republican districts in the Northeast. Some sources have reported that seat had been in Republican hands since 1873 but Wikipedia reports elsewhere that there have been 17 Democrats elected from this district since the Civil War, and some portions of the district--including the largest city, Watertown--hadn't been represented by a Democrat since 1851, when the Whig Party still existed.

Apparently Wikipedia is now its own cite Smiley: laugh


Here's the original paragraph as it was about 2 hours ago:

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See also: New York's 23rd congressional district

The 23rd had historically been one of the more Republican districts in the Northeast. The seat had been in Republican hands since 1873, and some portions of the district--including the largest city, Watertown--hadn't been represented by a Democrat since 1851, when the Whig Party still existed.




It is wiki after all... Apparently, fact checking is hard, even when the link is riiiiiiight there

Edited, Nov 4th 2009 5:27pm by gbaji
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#25 Nov 04 2009 at 7:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Apparently Wikipedia is now its own cite Smiley: laugh


I suppose it was bound to happen.

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#26 Nov 04 2009 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, there ya go. The district seat has been in Grubby Pubbie mitts since 1871 and some portions of it for even longer. Again, redistricting makes a plain chart of who has represented "NY-23" rather meaningless for purposes of the "Since 1851" claims.
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