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#27 Nov 02 2009 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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What flavor is that kool-aid?
Grape. I'm a little leery of cherry and/or strawberry. They seem to come with this giant pitcher that breaks down walls.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2009 11:20am by Uglysasquatch
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#29 Nov 02 2009 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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Jobs have not been created. Simply saying not as many jobs were lost as expected doesn't mean there was an increase.


So, the jobs that were created to replace a portion of the jobs that were lost are imaginary?
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#30 Nov 02 2009 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
DoubleXchromosone wrote:
What flavor is that kool-aid?
Grape. I'm a little leery of cherry and/or strawberry. They seem to come with this giant pitcher that breaks down walls.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2009 11:20am by Uglysasquatch


Oh yeah?
#31 Nov 02 2009 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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Let's see... economy has improved, recession has been broken, and hundreds of thousands of jobs saved/created.


Jobs have not been created. Simply saying not as many jobs were lost as expected doesn't mean there was an increase.


So you're saying NO jobs have been created? Not a single new job has been created? You really want to say something that idiotic?

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Yeah, I'd say it worked.


Oh and technically we had just begun the recession when Obama took office.


And now it's over! Glad to see the government has done well.
#32 Nov 02 2009 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
Bush is probably disappointed that his election gift to Obama, the recession, didn't even last for a whole year.
#33 Nov 02 2009 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Oh and technically we had just begun the recession when Obama took office.
If we're going to go with technically, technically it started under Bush and was realized under Obama.
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#34 Nov 02 2009 at 9:29 AM Rating: Default
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So you're saying NO jobs have been created? Not a single new job has been created? You really want to say something that idiotic?


What i'm saying is creating 30k jobs over here doesn't make up for the 200k lost over there.

See how that works? And supposed economic analysts saying not as many jobs have been lost as they expected doesn't mean more jobs were created.



#35 Nov 02 2009 at 9:30 AM Rating: Default
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Bush is probably disappointed that his election gift to Obama, the recession, didn't even last for a whole year.


Don't be afraid to throw a Democrat congress in there as well.

#36 Nov 02 2009 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
I'm more than aware that if the unemployment rate doesn't improve, dems have a chance at losing osme seats in the house & senate in 2010. However, it should be noted that there's quite a bit of stimulus $ to go through that will help with that.

Fixing the the mess W's economic policy left us in & the recession that came of it was only the first part of it. I'm also not so partisan to admit that W's own stimulus helped with that. Any economist will agree that if it wasn't for the stimulus's, we'd have gotten out of this much worse off. That being said, unemployment will definitely top 10% before that gets turned around.

But, despite the fact that Obama is criticized for not getting anything done, undoing W's messes is on it's way to getting accomplished. Healthcare reform will be passed, more troops have all ready been sent to Afghanistan since Obama's been in office & troop levels in Iraq have been reduced, the recession is over, consumer credit regulations are coming into place, & job creation is next on the "to do list".

In my opinion, it's the most important one. Then there's regulating the financial institutions so this **** doesn't happen again, forcing the banks to ******* lend, "don't ask don't tell", Iran, North Korea, & peace in the ******* middle east.

All the while creating more jobs.
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#37 Nov 02 2009 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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What i'm saying is creating 30k jobs over here doesn't make up for the 200k lost over there.

See how that works? And supposed economic analysts saying not as many jobs have been lost as they expected doesn't mean more jobs were created.


Perhaps you don't know what the term "creating a job" means. It means that, irrelevant of other conditions, as a resultant of your behavior, another person entered the workforce. It doesn't mean society at large has racked up a net positive on it's tally chart.
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#38 Nov 02 2009 at 9:45 AM Rating: Default
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All the while creating more jobs.


It's so sad you're so stupid. Since Obama signed the stimulus bill 2.7 million payroll jobs have been lost. You do the math.
#39 Nov 02 2009 at 9:47 AM Rating: Default
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Perhaps you don't know what the term "creating a job" means. It means that, irrelevant of other conditions, as a resultant of your behavior, another person entered the workforce. It doesn't mean society at large has racked up a net positive on it's tally chart.


And it took 230k to create one job when you take into account the stimulus money spent on "creating jobs". Do you think if the govn cut you a check for 230k could you find a job or start a new business?



#40 Nov 02 2009 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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And it took 230k to create one job when you take into account the stimulus money spent on "creating jobs"


No, all the stimulus money hasn't been spent. Not even 29% has been spent.

($787 * .366 = 28.8%)

And we're all ready out of the recession. Wait till we start spending it on infrastructure, that's hopefully "green", bet that will create some jobs.

Well, provided we don't put Haliburton or Bectel in charge of said jobs.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2009 11:03am by Omegavegeta
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#41 Nov 02 2009 at 10:06 AM Rating: Default
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forcing the banks to @#%^ing lend


Im at work so I can't go into great detail about all the things that are wrong in your post but that one line you said just stood out.

Forcing Banks to loan is one of the major reasons we are in this mess to begin with.

Barnie Frank and Maxine Waters and Freddie and Fannie anyone????!!!!????
#42 Nov 02 2009 at 10:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Im at work so I can't go into great detail about all the things that are wrong in your post but that one line you said just stood out.

Forcing Banks to loan is one of the major reasons we are in this mess to begin with.

Barnie Frank and Maxine Waters and Freddie and Fannie anyone????!!!!????


Small businesses are struggling because they can't get loans.

Why do you hate small businesses?
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#43 Nov 02 2009 at 10:31 AM Rating: Default
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And we're all ready out of the recession. Wait till we start spending it on infrastructure, that's hopefully "green", bet that will create some jobs.


I hope you're not betting what's left of your 401k. You're delusional if you think this economy has hit rock bottom and on the way up.

#44 Nov 02 2009 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
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And we're all ready out of the recession. Wait till we start spending it on infrastructure, that's hopefully "green", bet that will create some jobs.


I hope you're not betting what's left of your 401k. You're delusional if you think this economy has hit rock bottom and on the way up.



Since when does "recession" = hitting rock bottom?
#45 Nov 02 2009 at 12:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm just relieved that we didn't follow the GOP's dumbass suggestion and privatize social security.
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#46 Nov 02 2009 at 12:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Show of hands if you're surprised that self-styled patriots are disappointed that the country has yet to fail in order to prove them right.

Anyone?

Anyone?

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#47 Nov 02 2009 at 4:14 PM Rating: Default
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I'm just relieved that we didn't follow the GOP's dumbass suggestion and privatize social security.


And here I thought Democrats were for as many choices as possible when it came to things of an economic nature. Guess that only applies when they're lying to the idiots who believe the lie that is a "public option".

Anna you should also look at Galveston TX who opted out of social security.

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Galveston vs. Social Security. Upon retirement after 30 years, and assuming a 5 percent rate of return - more conservative than Galveston workers have earned - all workers would do better for the same contribution as Social Security:


Workers making $17,000 a year are expected to receive about 50 percent more per month on our alternative plan than on Social Security - $1,036 instead of $683. [See the Figure.]
Workers making $26,000 a year will make almost double Social Security's return - $1,500 instead of $853.
Workers making $51,000 a year will get $3,103 instead of $1,368.
Workers making $75,000 or more will nearly triple Social Security - $4,540 instead of $1,645.

Galveston County's survivorship benefits pay four times a worker's annual salary - a minimum of $75,000 to a maximum $215,000 - versus Social Security, which forces widows to wait until age 60 to qualify for benefits, or provides 75 percent of a worker's salary for school-age children.
In Galveston, if the worker dies before retirement, the survivors receive not only the full survivorship but get generous accidental death benefits, too. Galveston County's disability benefit also pays more: 60 percent of an individual's salary, better than Social Security's.


http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba514/

Here's where you have to put on your thinking cap and come to the realization that social security is a rip off and a horrible plan.





#48 Nov 02 2009 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
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http://www.ncpa.org/


Yeah, they're totally unbiased concerning government-related programs.

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The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy research organization, established in 1983. The NCPA's goal is to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector. Topics include reforms in health care, taxes, Social Security, welfare, criminal justice, education and environmental regulation.
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#49 Nov 02 2009 at 5:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm just relieved that we didn't follow the GOP's dumbass suggestion and privatize social security.

To be fair, even the GOP didn't go with that plan. That was one of Bush's flagship programs and it was soundly rejected across the board. Regardless of how the GOP actually feels about it, the probable voter backlash from privatizing Social Security left it dead in the water from the start.
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#50 Nov 03 2009 at 5:58 AM Rating: Good
Only procrastination is a strong enough force to motivate me to reply to this nonsense.

Three important reasons Galveston wouldn't work nationally:
1) Social Security is supposed to be a safety net for the poor, not a retirement package.
3) Galveston works because it is a free rider on the SS system.
2) SS adjusts for inflation. Initially the recipients in Galveston receive more, but SS starts paying more per month somewhere between 4 and 12 years, depending on the rate of inflation.

An opposing "policy organization"
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1974

GAO report
http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:YwrGOvB2bSEJ:www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt%3FGAO/HEHS-99-31+Galveston+County:+A+Model+for+Social+Security+Reform&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjsSAjrHU_uroMDfG3Rnmx9ckMjGP_vr30RmDjLFHmtQfMBlmX3ZFMasBRroQlK-DJwK9jTWBIGM5WmWG5wWfnbtbxrZb53-gsg4_Lk31PQlYfSc37XbHiotz6SSyLB_BfXupV2&sig=AFQjCNExJyiklPHQpLaYMrE5FDzJHBt6cA

(I have no idea if that second link is going to work.)

Guess you must have forgotten to put on your thinking cap.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2009 6:59am by imbtrthnur
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