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#1 Oct 27 2009 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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Who is excluded from giving blood?

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A lifetime ban on gay and bisexual men from giving blood is under review, following calls from campaigners that the policy is unfair and misplaced. So which groups are prevented from donating on grounds of sexual behaviour?


I am unsure of anyone bar Nobby who could answer, but I was wondering in this news article if the following (underlined) was true

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Condoms reduce the risk of infection but don't eliminate it, they say, and men who have sex with men account for 63% of HIV diagnoses where the infection was likely to have been acquired in the UK. The risk of HIV-infected blood entering the blood supply would increase five-fold if the ban was lifted.


Bigotry or fact?
#2 Oct 27 2009 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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In the US, some restrictions are:

1. People with low clotting issues.
2. People on blood-related medication.
3. People who have ever traded sex for money or drugs
4. People who have had a tattoo in the past (year? six months?). I think this might have a condition like "Where you're not positive the needles were cleaned."
5. People who have traveled to an area at risk for malaria in the past year. This kept me from donating for almost two years in college, since apparently Mexico City is at risk. WTH?
#3 Oct 27 2009 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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Even if it is fact (I don't know for certain), that statement doesn't mean much. Does it increase five-fold from 0.00000000000001%? Because while that would still be bad - any increase would be - it's a drastic difference from 1% increasing to 5%.
#4 Oct 27 2009 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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Varrus told me that ****** cause AIDS. Unlubricated gay sex causes so much friction that ***** is converted into AIDS. I trust he knows what he is talking about since he is a pillar of the man seeking man community.
#6REDACTED, Posted: Oct 27 2009 at 2:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Gays can't donate for one reason. They engage in activities that dramatically increase the liklihood that they'll catch and std.
#7 Oct 27 2009 at 2:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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If I remember correctly my dad can't give blood because he was put on animal-based insulin when he was younger. (I, on the other hand, can--I've only ever used human insulin.)
#8 Oct 27 2009 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Gays can't donate for one reason. They engage in activities that dramatically increase the liklihood that they'll catch and std.


Any sex dramatically increases the likelihood you'll catch an STD. Funny how that works, huh?
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Apparently, I can't give blood because it beats up other peoples blood.
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Dudes with the Thing inside them.

Yesssss, classic.
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#12 Oct 27 2009 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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I've been donating plasma lately. One thing they asked me is if I've been to France. I'm still not sure why they specifically ask about France.
#13 Oct 27 2009 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
Whenever this topic is posted, I always wonder: if they test all blood for HIV/AIDS, why exclude any group that has slightly higher rates? And if they don't test, we've got larger problems then who donates.

I guess if many donations are aggregated and then tested it could be somewhat problematic, but still I don't see why the extra expense isn't worth it. It's not like we have a huge excess of donors.

#14 Oct 27 2009 at 3:09 PM Rating: Excellent
Off the top of my head, one cannot donate if:

They've lived in or traveled to Africa since 1977.
They've traveled to Europe within the past year.
They've used needles to take drugs, ever.
They've taken or given sex for drugs, ever.
They've had homosexual intercourse with a man, ever.
They've had sex with an intravenous drug user in the past year.
They've had a tattoo in the past year.
They've had major surgey in the past year or minor surgery or a tooth extraction in the past six months.
They have insufficient protein levels.
They have experienced red blood cell loss in the past two months.
They've had intercourse with someone who was born in or lived in Africa since 1977.
They are currently under the influence of or addicted to drugs or alcohol.
They have anti-coagulate allergies.
They've been incarcerated in the past year.
They've received a blood transfusion in the past six months.
That's all I can remember.

#15REDACTED, Posted: Oct 27 2009 at 3:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yossi,
#16 Oct 27 2009 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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I can't give blood in NZ because I come from the UK, and they have mad cows apparently. Even tho' I havn't had sex with a cow or even eaten bits of one for 20 years.

Suits me tho'. Most humans I've met don't deserve my blood.
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#17 Oct 27 2009 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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CBD wrote:
Even if it is fact (I don't know for certain), that statement doesn't mean much. Does it increase five-fold from 0.00000000000001%? Because while that would still be bad - any increase would be - it's a drastic difference from 1% increasing to 5%.

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#18 Oct 27 2009 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
yossarian wrote:
Whenever this topic is posted, I always wonder: if they test all blood for HIV/AIDS, why exclude any group that has slightly higher rates? And if they don't test, we've got larger problems then who donates.



The argument I've heard is that some blood donations infected with different STD's still seep through despite the testing. I think the permanant ban is stupid. They ask if you've had any unprotected sex in the last year with more than one partner and if you answer truthfully that disqualifies you. That question is enough. Gay men who practice safe sex are no more likely to get HIV than a straight person who practices safe sex. This discrimination stems from the stereotype that gay men are whores who sleep around willy nilly and don't use protection. There are some gay men who do this, but there's also straight people and lesbians who do this as well.
#19 Oct 27 2009 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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Most humans I've met don't deserve my blood.


Surely that statement isn't true.
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#20 Oct 27 2009 at 3:46 PM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure I can still technically give blood because I don't like coitus, and have never had that with a male, despite liking to do other things.

I was, however, strongly advised to halt giving my blood on account of being too much of a fainting pussy, as well as having a tendency not to bleed enough.

Edited, Oct 27th 2009 5:47pm by Pensive
#21 Oct 27 2009 at 3:59 PM Rating: Good
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
paulsol wrote:
Most humans I've met don't deserve my blood.


Surely that statement isn't true.


Course not...I'm just feeling tetchy 'cos i've got a head full of mucous from my cold/flu thing at the weekend and I'm back working on patients who for the most part look like they are feeling better than I am.

F'ucking malingerers!
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#22 Oct 27 2009 at 4:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
I don't like coitus


Maybe stopping calling it 'coitus' and start thinking of it as 'shagging' might help?

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#23 Oct 27 2009 at 4:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Most humans I've met don't deserve my blood.


Surely that statement isn't true.
Now it is.
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#24 Oct 27 2009 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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paulsol wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
I don't like coitus


Maybe stopping calling it 'coitus' and start thinking of it as 'shagging' might help?



I have certain.. "techniques" which have been described by some as "shagging-like."
#25 Oct 27 2009 at 5:03 PM Rating: Good
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I was under the impression that blood banks are always in desperate need of blood, so getting it from anyone who knows (read: thinks) they dont have HIV is welcome. Do they screen all of the blood they get for HIV? If not, that is a bit scary.
#26 Oct 27 2009 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Whenever this topic is posted, I always wonder: if they test all blood for HIV/AIDS, why exclude any group that has slightly higher rates? And if they don't test, we've got larger problems then who donates.



Most likely that's because like all blood tests, there are false negatives. They figured it would be safer to just exclude anyone with a higher risk of having infected blood.


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I was under the impression that blood banks are always in desperate need of blood, so getting it from anyone who knows (read: thinks) they dont have HIV is welcome.


I think they still have very strict rules, even if they are desperate, because blood from one infected person will cause all the blood in that batch to be thrown out. And if it was used before it was discovered to be infected, heads will roll. It's just not worth it.
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