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#52REDACTED, Posted: Oct 26 2009 at 2:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Paula,
#53REDACTED, Posted: Oct 26 2009 at 2:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Kujo,
#54 Oct 26 2009 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
There are still an estimated 500,000 displaced Iraqis, many of whom have no intention of returning to Baghdad or their hometowns any time soon. Part of the reason is that the power grid still hasn't been restored to its pre-2002 functionality.

So really, "Iraq is a better place to live now than it was before the war" depends on who you are asking.
#55 Oct 26 2009 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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Go on give W credit for taking this guy out.



Bush should be charged with crimes against humanity and locked up for the rest of his life imo.

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#56 Oct 26 2009 at 2:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Man, his sixth full-scale conference. I wonder which hole he had that by.


So how many conferences does Obama need to determine whether or not our troops over there need more support? To anyone but rabid liberals that sounds like someone who doesn't want to make a tough decision and is using any excuse to avoid having to make that decision.
He has increased troop levels twice. The fact that you're ignoring it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
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#57 Oct 26 2009 at 2:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
So how many conferences does Obama need to determine whether or not our troops over there need more support?

Beats me. Hey, maybe there's more to it than that like "Do they need more troops? How many? Where? What kind? When? What other material support do they need? How will the political situation there affect this?" So on and so forth.

Also, that was his sixth conference since taking office. Since he's already raised troop levels twice, apparently these things actually bear fruit and it hasn't been six conferences on this latest troop deployment.

You're doing a really poor job of laying out an argument that Obama has been ignoring Afghanistan.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#58 Oct 26 2009 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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The Chinese like the Republicans more than Democrats by a HUGE margin. The Republicans talk about how bad the "communist" Chinese are and then cant wait to send them our money - in the name of capitalism - as well as our jobs. GJ pubbies, take a moral stance against communism and then wilt so you can buy a bike for $50 at Walmart that some Chinese kid made in a 16 hour day. But keep on keeping on, I guess its better to give a dictatorship jobs and money because you dont feel like paying a liveable wage to some poor slob here in the US.


This is all BS.


Actually, its all pretty much spot on.
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#59 Oct 26 2009 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
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The Chinese like the Republicans more than Democrats by a HUGE margin. The Republicans talk about how bad the "communist" Chinese are and then cant wait to send them our money - in the name of capitalism - as well as our jobs. GJ pubbies, take a moral stance against communism and then wilt so you can buy a bike for $50 at Walmart that some Chinese kid made in a 16 hour day. But keep on keeping on, I guess its better to give a dictatorship jobs and money because you dont feel like paying a liveable wage to some poor slob here in the US.


This is all BS. It's obvious you have no idea wtf you're talking about. And for the record it's the Obama Democrats quoting murderous chinese dictators as examples to follow , not the GOP.



Why is it obvious I have no idea what I am talking about? Is it true that most of the stuff we buy here was made in China? Is it true that a HUGE chunk of our manufacturing sector was sent to China? Is it true that we are at some of the highest unemployment rates in our history while a huge chunk of our manufacturing jobs went to China? Is it true that absolutely every Republican in office will say "Communism is bad" and then applaud businesses that send their manufacturing jobs to China in order to save a buck in the name of Capitalism? The answer to all of these questions is "yes." So tell me, captain obvious, where is it obvious that I dont know what I am talking about?

And FYI, its ONE Obama administration official that said that, not the entire administration. Also FYI, sending one manufacturing job to China is infinitely more helpful to the Chinese dictatorship than every American saying a murderous Chinese dictator had one good quality about him. But thats a lesson no Republican knows: money talks and bullsh!t walks. Support in words is meaningless, support in money is substancial.

#60 Oct 26 2009 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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You're right. Iraq is truly one of the greatest places to live and bring up your family right now.


It's sure as h*ll better than it was.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

Go on give W credit for taking this guy out.



Lolwikiquote!
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#61 Oct 26 2009 at 3:21 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Paula,

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You're right. Iraq is truly one of the greatest places to live and bring up your family right now.


It's sure as h*ll better than it was.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

Go on give W credit for taking this guy out.



Lolwikiquote!
Mos to f what's there is true. Human rights were terrible under Saddam, unless you were a part of his group. Removing Saddam improved human rights for many, at the expense of Saddam's Ba'ath. Basically, W did what the GOP claims the Dems do: improve a large portion of the population's life at the expense of a favoured few. Bush was Liberal and he never even knew it.
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#62REDACTED, Posted: Oct 26 2009 at 3:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Kuja,
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Article 31 of the Iraqi Constitution wrote:
"First: Every citizen has the right to health care. The State shall maintain public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and health institutions.

Second: Individuals and entities have the right to build hospitals, clinics,or private health care centers under the supervision of the State, and this shall be regulated by law."

Praise Bush for bringing Universal Health Care to the Iraqi people!
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#64 Oct 26 2009 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
How come universal healthcare is good enough for Iraq but not good enough for us?

Unfair!
#65 Oct 26 2009 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
How come universal healthcare is good enough for Iraq but not good enough for us?

Unfair!


Compensation for the high risk of getting blown to bits, I suppose.
#66 Oct 26 2009 at 4:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
you could care less







For the brazillianth time, Its 'could NOT care less'.

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#67 Oct 26 2009 at 4:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
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sending one manufacturing job to China


This is where your argument breaks down. You assume that because a company was created in the US that the jobs must remain in the US. That in fact US citizens have some kind of right to those jobs. Here's a news flash...these jobs are not guaranteed to US citizens. I actually watched a show on the trvl channel or something like it that laid out how Wal-Mart supplies it's stores in China as well as other third world countries. To simply say they exploit child labour is a lie. When you use terminology like "living wage" I can tell you could care less whether or not a company is profitable, only that it employees people you say it should for a price you think they should. Any of this getting through?


If an American company thinks it can send work to another country and then import that item to the US - in order to circumvent paying someone here a liveable wage - you are damn right those jobs should stay here.

And you know what? Thomas Jefferson - you know, the guy who wrote a little diddy called the Declaration of Independence, whom if the British caught would have tried and hanged, the guy dubbed one of the best US presidents and one of our strongest forefathers - wrote "Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains." hmmm. It sounds like a guy who was so critical to the birth of our nation had absolutely ZERO tolerance for business or people selling their wares. Would you care to call Thomas Jefferson a Communist since he detests business so? Would you care to say he is un-American for thinking if our country was based on commerce it would lead to widespread corruption?

You call yourself a true American, and yet if it came to supporting an American family by giving the father a job or supporting capitalism by sending his job overseas, you will pick supporting capitalism. You are loyal to some political ideal but a traitor to America.

If you were a REAL American, you would pick supporting America's families over some merchant who doesnt give a shÃt about what happens in America so long as they get paid. Thomas Jefferson was right about you.

But go ahead, support sending those jobs overseas. Support sending manufacturing jobs to places like China. Sacrifice an American's well being to support your horseshÃt, dogshÃt capitalist dogma while harming our way of life. Hey, as an added bonus, when people are out of work and they are on welfare you can complain and call them lazy social leeches while you are getting a load dumped down your gullet by those very merchants ole' tommy J was talking about.
#68 Oct 26 2009 at 4:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Kujo,



Also,

Why should we trust anything you say when you cant look at a simple name and decipher an "o" instead of an "a." You did it twice, which means its not a mistake. Its K-U-J-A-T-A. If you cant tell the difference between two letters, how the hell are we to believe you are discerning enough to pick a good, well-thought out idea from a sea of bad ones?
#69 Oct 26 2009 at 4:25 PM Rating: Excellent
He's a troll. His clever little nickname for me for a while was "Cat ho."

Ahahaha. Ahahah. He slays himself.
#70 Oct 26 2009 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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ManifestOfKujata wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
Kujo,



Also,

Why should we trust anything you say when you cant look at a simple name and decipher an "o" instead of an "a." You did it twice, which means its not a mistake. Its K-U-J-A-T-A. If you cant tell the difference between two letters, how the hell are we to believe you are discerning enough to pick a good, well-thought out idea from a sea of bad ones?


maybe he is trying to be witty?

eh, probably not.
#71 Oct 26 2009 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
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hmmm, humor is a sign of intelligence. Maybe this is why none of his material is funny ^^

Edited, Oct 26th 2009 6:34pm by ManifestOfKujata
#72 Oct 26 2009 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Golfing.

G-O-L-F-I-N-G.

You illiterate moron.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#73 Oct 26 2009 at 5:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Golfing.

G-O-L-F-I-N-G.

You illiterate moron.


He could care less
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#74 Oct 26 2009 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
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Training and sacrifice does not win wars, and it NEVER has. The guy who wins is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS the guy that has better technology available.


You're one stupid motherfucker, ain't ya? Have you ever read a history book in your entire fucking life?
#75 Oct 26 2009 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good
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ManifestOfKujata wrote:
Seriously. What keeps the middle east in check - as far as we are concerned - is their theocracies being hell bent against sciences. Training and sacrifice does not win wars, and it NEVER has. The guy who wins is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS the guy that has better technology available.


Vietnam would like to have a word with you.
#76 Oct 26 2009 at 9:54 PM Rating: Good
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ManifestOfKujata wrote:
Seriously. What keeps the middle east in check - as far as we are concerned - is their theocracies being hell bent against sciences. Training and sacrifice does not win wars, and it NEVER has. The guy who wins is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS the guy that has better technology available.


Vietnam would like to have a word with you.


For that matter, so would the American Revolutionary War.
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